What did Trump hope to gain?

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^^^ me too.

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Same here!

Reichwingers insist Trump just calls it like he sees it.
If that's the case it's time he visits an optometrist.

You're the same nobody as me. Why should I believe you?

Looking at this from the outside...

You have a president who has come from a completely different background to the "normal" political background...With his business background, it is quite possible that he was looking to make sure that the "investment"\"donation" which he was to be handing over (aid funding) which he wished to ensure would be invested\used as intended. Ukraine has been known as one of the more corrupt nations in the world, which would probably have impacted this concern. The fact that Joe Biden was running as a candidate for the election is quite possibly an unfortunate coincidence.

A "normal" politician would just hand over the money with the only concern being the photo opportunity, with no concern what happens to the money (It isn't theirs, after all) after they get the publicity for handing it over.

Or to put it another way...Consider you were given money by a business to pass on to a charity: Would you make sure that the charity would use money in a way which meets the expectations of the person who handed it to you, or just give to the first charity that comes along, even if they do not meet your expectations\will use the money in a way that goes against the funder's expectations\values?

More will always be revealed, but based on the timeline of when Rudy Guilliani became involved, this is my opinion:

Trump knew they would try to take him down because they said as much. As they were taking him down, he planned to unfurl all the corruption of the entrenched members of the democratic party. It began with Sean Smith and Benghazi, move on to the deleted emails, on to Bernie Sanders being shot down by the DNC and on it goes. Epstein and Bill Clinton, and this is just the Clintons. Then, the Bidens, the Pelosis, the Kerrys, all in bed with Ukraine.

Trump is holding up a mirror for all to see.

He is rich, he is not above hitting below the belt, he's used to fighting dirty and he's a planner.

This impeachment is as much and effort to shut all the above down, as it is a power grab. No matter what happens, the Democratic part, as it stands now, will go down as one of the most corrupt in our nation's history. And We The People, who voted for Trump, knew it. We might not have known the particulars, but we knew. The sad part is that there's one half of our country who is either too stupid, or too invested in free-shit, to notice or care. They care more about what the world thinks, more about appearing 'woke' by ignoring our own poor dreamers in favor of DACA (which was unconstitutional, btw), more about their hatred of Israel holding a piece of land the size of New Jersey (Iran deal), and too much else and I've grown distracted. And Obama led the way and was never question because we were invested in the world seeing how far we'd come by voting in a black president. Black is fine, personally I hope to one day be voting for Candace Owens as my first female POTUS. But when color stands in the way of justice, or questioning, it's just a weaponized lie.

One thing is certain, this is not business as usual, which is what we Trump supporters wanted. This corrupt democratic party will never be the same again.

Personally, I was hoping that Trump's impeachment would herald a much needed return to a saner world were we don't elect a reality TV star with no political experience to the highest office in the land, but I fear the Trump cult will just dig their heels in harder, and we're going to get four more years of this nonsense.

I don’t know...

I’m hoping that we’ll elect Kim Kardashian next.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she’d do a better job...

Picking an insanely successful business person who has no moral qualms when it comes to sinking others to get ahead and has advertised such an attitude with pride is very problematic, especially as far as having a desire to retain at least a fragment of the American ideal.

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Pelosi is now playing games with this thing. She is negotiating with the Republicans as to how to conduct the impeachment trial. The Articles of Impeachment have not, as of yet, been formally given to the Senate.

One thing we don't need is an extension of the Donald Trump Martyr Cult.....

The Lost Cause II: Electric Bugaloo?

IMHO the motivation was trolling, a way of owning the libs. That this occurred the day after he was "exonerated" by Mueller was not an accident. Na Na Na I can do anything I want and YOU CAN'T STOP ME!! !

I came across a comment from the House of Representatives, if I remember correctly, about how Bill Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998 but the Senate was not notified until the next Session of Congress which began on January 3, 1999! Bill Clinton's impeachment trial began, if I remember correctly, on January 7, 1999.

Is it possible that the House waited until after the holidays to inform the Senate so that the Senate could break for the holidays? I don't know about the Senate, but in the House, an impeachment takes precedence over pretty much everything else. It is possible that if they had notified the Senate immediately after the impeachment, the Senate may have had little or no ability to postpone the trial until after the holidays?

If that is the case, the real reason for the delay this year could be to allow the Senate and the House managers to go home for Christmas.

When I get a chance, I'll see if I can verify the part about Bill Clinton's impeachment being conveyed to the Senate a couple of weeks or so after the impeachment.

Ukraine is facing an existential threat from Russia. The funds Trump had held up were hinged solely to that fact, without precondition of proving that Ukraine was not corrupt.

When has Trump done anything to "drain the swamp?" If anything, with his hiring on of crooks, political provocateurs, and businessmen like himself out to make money through DC, Trump's slid a fire hose into the swamp, and turned it on full blast to increase it!

Just when and where did Mueller exonerate Trump, save in his own mind?

Bringing his own kids into it is about as swampy as it gets.