July 13th, The Third Apparition of Our Lady of Fatima

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Knives?  The closest I come to bringing out a knife is a careful application of Occam's Razor -- "pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate", or "plurality should not be posited without necessity".  The principle gives precedence to simplicity: of two competing theories, the simpler explanation of an entity is to be preferred.

So, which is more likely:

(a) A woman who has been dead for nearly 2000 years comes back to life and appears to 3 shepherd-girls to tell them to repent.

(b) A group of priests, hard-up for money, seize upon three shepherd-girls and coerces/convinces them to lie and put on an act.

In the first case (a), there is no evidence -- not even Biblical "evidence" -- for this apparition.  In the second case (b), using children to scam peasants out of what little money they have is just human nature.  "The first religion was invented when the first scoundrel met the first fool."  Throw in some ecclesiastical guilt-tripping, and the Church acquires a new source of income!

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you are so going to burn in hell. lucky for you it doesn't exist.

If you would assume for the moment that the Biblical Hell (and the Biblical Heaven) does exist, and that the sole purpose for Hell's existence is as an eternal warehouse for those who have sinned against G^D, then nothing in my previous post in this thread would condemn me to that place.  Mainly because there is nothing in the Bible that indicates Mary:

• Remained a virgin after the birth of Jesus.
• Never died, and is still alive.
• Ascended to Heaven in the same way as her Son.
• Intercedes directly with G^D on behalf of mortals who pray to her.
• Appears to modern-day peasants in remote locations and tells them to "repent, or else".
• Is the Queen of Heaven, the Angelic Host, or any other sphere of influence.

Mary, along with the other so-called "Saints" of the RCC, is dead.  She (and the other "Saints") can no more intercede on behalf of the living than the dead hamster I buried in the back yard.  Her presence at Pentecost is the Bible's final reference to Mary, and since the Bible is silent about what happened to Mary after Pentecost (Acts 1:14), we can only speculate on what became of her (and her remains) afterward -- speculation that the RCC has picked up and run with for all the profit they can squeeze out of it.

Also, it is a commonly-known fact that the RCC is one of the wealthiest of governments, religious or secular; that the vast majority of its wealth was obtained by either implying or stating that people could atone for their sins (and the sins of loved ones) with donations of cash and valuable items to the RCC; and that the more "sinful" you are (as determined by a mortal priest), the more wealth you should donate to the RCC to get into Heaven.

It's the unrepentant/unsaved liars and idolators (as well as the pedo-priests) of the RCC who will likely wake up in Hell one day.

I love how you omit the Miracle of the Sun. Yes, I know about aghogday's post and the Wikipedia article, I'll get to those tomorrow, although I already know about most of the attempts made to debunk the miracle. But just I find it amusing how you omit the miracle here. Also, some people reporedt seeing a cloud descend on the holmoak tree in the apparitions prior to the miracle in October.


Some people claim that prophecies of the Old Testament weren't made until after the fact; some people claim the Our Lord's prophecy about the destruction of the Temple was added in after the Great Jewish Revolt; some people claim the Book of Revelations was really about Nero's persecutions and the Great Jewish Revolt and was all written, you guessed it, after the fact.


I don't see anything wrong or disappointing with this prophecy, seems okay to me. Some people claim that there is and should be, a written part to this secret, and maybe there is, but like I said, it doesn't bother whether there is, or isn't a written part. Some say the killing of the Pope was meant to represent the assassination attempt on St. John Paul II, others claim that the assassination attempt was merely a kind of foreshadowing of the killing of the Pope represented in the Third Secret. While it is interesting, again, it doesn't bother me. I have seen quite a few things these past couple of years (like the sex abuse scandals) which might suggest that what's been foretold in the Third Secret is coming to fruition, but regardless of whether that is the case or not, I am just going keep on doing what Our Lady of Fatima requested; say my Rosary everyday, do the Five First Saturday Devotions when I can, as well other works of prayer and penance; such saying an extra Rosary every 13th Day of the month from May to October for reparation and the conversion of sinners.


As I mentioned before, the parish priest was skeptical of the children; in fact when the children were kidnapped by the government, the villagers who believed the apparitions suspected that the priest was responsible for handing the children over to the government, and held an angry rally outside the church. If this priest said what is allegedly said here, well I will just heed Christ's words about being aware of wolves in sheeps' clothing, Judas Iscariot was a Catholic Clergyman after all. (A bishop to be exact) But if you want to blindly listen to what one Catholic cleric says, by all means.


I find that extremely hard to believe, especially consider all the other things Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope Benedict XVI said about Lucia, Our Lady of Fatima, and other apparitions and prophecies like Our Lady of Akita. As I said before, I don't see any problem with any of this, no Catholic sees any problem with the vision itself (they may have the problem with an alleged lack of an explanation) or the call to repentance; none of these things are considered unnecessary or absurd.


There are a million reasons why a cure or something else won't happen through prayer and/or Our Lady's intercession. But in regards specifically to why Our Lady of Lourdes is known cures, and not Our Lady of Fatima, the simple answer is that the titles actually do matter, even though it's the same Woman, what title you invoke Her under can determine the efficacy of your prayer. Thus, you are more likely to receive a miraculous cure from Our Lady under Her title of Our Lady of Lourdes, because that title and apparition are associated with miraculous cures. Not that invoking Our Lady under Her title of Our Lady of Fatima cannot bring about miraculous cures, a couple of years ago I wanted to send an ex-voto plaque to the Fatima Shrine, in thanksgiving for Her role in my reversion to the Faith, and so I checked to see if ex-votos were a thing in Fatima and discovered that there were a significant number of ex-votos at Fatima, thus I assume that some of those ex-votos there were for miraculous cures.

So tomorrow I will address your post aghogday, regarding the Miracle of the Sun, but I do want to address one of the arguments you made as well as one present on the Wikipedia page, namely, your argument from subconsciousness and the Wikipedia article's claim of mass hallucination.

Firstly, in regards your appeal from the subconscious, well appeals from the psyche in general are bad arguments because one cannot really know what is inside a person's interior apart from what is clear from words and actions. We cannot make guesses from parts of the psyche that even the people themselves don't know; we have to take the witnesses at their words and believe that what the people there claimed to believe, (namely that they either didn't believe Our Lady was appearing there, or were outright atheists) they really and truly did believe.

As for mass hallucinations, they're practically non-existent. There is only one other event in human history that has been claimed to be a mass hallucination, and in this event, there were actually fewer people present at that event than there were at Fatima. What was that event that was claimed to be a mass hallucination? The Resurrection and Ascension of Our Lord:

I wanted to respond to this in my own words, but something has come up that has caused to really cut-down, if not leave WrongPlanet for awhile. (It'll be explained in other threads I'll be posting on here shortly.) Providentially, before everything came up, I posted a thread on a Traditional Catholic forum site, asking for any additional information I may need, and I was directed to this page, written by a person by the name of Mark Mallet, and so will I will post his responses here, and then add one or two more things I think need to be added.

From Mark Mallet's site:

CRITICAL EVALUTION…

In my long and ongoing debates with an atheist, he sent me an article from www.answers.com titled Miracle of the Sun. It was his attempt to show that science can explain away every single miracle—including what occurred at Fatima. Now, what happened there may be considered one of the most remarkable public miracles since the time of Christ. Given that three children predicted that it would occur, as they were allegedly told by the Mother of God herself, the stakes are high. Add to that the fact that atheists, socialists, the secular press and opponents of the Church were present, this would really seem to be the créme de la créme miracle to debunk.

I read through the article and the “critical evaluation” of various “experts” and their explanations of how this miracle could have simply been a natural phenomenon and nothing more. Here are their comments followed by my responses:

C. (Critique)



R. (Response)

While one can assume that the observation in Conyers was only a test of the alleged “Sun Miracle” in that location, the question begs as to why use a telescope in the first place, given the reported nature of “the miracle of the sun”? At Fatima, eyewitnesses described the sun spinning, revolving “vertiginously on its axis”, and then zig-zagging toward the earth as if it had become unfixed from the heavens. Any amateur astronomer can tell you that this is impossible. While planets and moons move in an orbit, the sun itself is “fixed” in its place. It would be impossible for the sun to change positions. Therefore, the people in Portugal saw something else, something that is outside the boundaries of the law of physics and beyond the lens of a telescope. [As a sidenote, was the miracle of the sun a portent not so much of what may happen to the sun some day, but to the earth and its orbit?]

It is worth noting that at other Marian sites, the miracle of the sun, while reportedly witnessed by many, is usually never witnessed by all. This was also the case at Fatima.



Why only some see this “miracle” is a mystery. Is it a “gift” for some for a particular reason in their lives? Some people I have spoken to, who have claimed to have seen the miracle of the sun in modern times, have tried to record with a camera what they were witnessing. However, the sun appeared normal on film or video tape. Eyewitness accounts are pretty much all we have to rely on, it seems. This usually presents a problem of subjectivity.

However, in the case of Fatima, the sheer number of witnesses bolsters the case that something extraordinary took place. The fact that not everyone in Portugal that day witnessed the event adds to the evidence in support of a miracle, since, a solar phenomenon passing over the country could and should have been witnessed by all present at the site.



C.


R.

It has long been established by ophthalmologists that to stare into the sun can cause permanent eye damage. It can take as little as seconds before temporary or permanent damage can begin to occur.

In the reports from eyewitnesses in Fatima, the miracle of the sun lasted not seconds, but minutes, and perhaps as long as “ten minutes.” Eyewitnesses stated that the clouds had broken and “the sun at its zenith appeared in all its splendor,” and so onlookers were staring directly at the sun. To stare at the bare sun at noon for even a minute—if that were even possible—would likely have been enough to cause permanent eye damage in at least a few people. But out of tens of thousands of people, there were no reports of a single person having incurred eye damage, let alone blindness. (On the other hand, this has occurred at some alleged Marian apparition sites where certain people have gone looking for a miracle).

Professor Meesen’s logic further falls apart by stating that the dancing effects of the sun were merely the result of retinal after-images. If that were the case, then the miracle of the sun witnessed at Fatima should be easily duplicated in your own backyard. In fact, to be certain, the thousands gathered that day would have looked up at the sun later that afternoon and in the days following to see if the miracle would repeat. If the “miracle” that October 13th was only the result of retinal images or “the bleaching of photosensitive retinal cells,” the skeptics and secular newspapers who had earlier been ridiculing the three shepherd children would surely have pointed this out. The aftermath of excitement would have quickly dissipated as people began to readily duplicate “retinal after-images.” The opposite is true. Eyewitnesses described the sight as a “prodigy,” something “incapable of describing,” and a “remarkable spectacle.” What is remarkable about something that one could easily duplicate an hour later?

C.



R.

In no cases do we read of any eyewitnesses reporting lingering optical effects. The prodigy seemed to simply end when the sun, after appearing to zig-zag to the earth, resumed its normal course; eyewitnesses reported that the phenomenon lasted only so long and then abruptly ended. However, if Nickell’s explanation were true, the retinal distortion should have continued as long as people continued to stare at the sun… an hour, three hours, all day long. This contradicts reports that indicate that the miracle had a definitive ending.

Furthermore, eyewitnesses specifically noted that the sun did not appear as an ‘intense light,’ but rather it appeared “pale and did not hurt my eyes” and “enveloped in… gauzy grey light” and began to emit “multicolored flashes of light, producing the most astounding effect.” It is worth noting that during an eclipse of the sun, or when the sun is under thick cloud covering, it can be looked at without any perceived discomfort. However, in these cases the sun is blocked by another object, and in fact, can still cause serious and permanent harm.

C.



R.

Once again, this hypothesis contradicts eyewitness reports. Not everyone present at Fatima that day witnessed a miracle in the sky. If this was a solar anomaly, a “cloud of stratospheric dust” that lasted several minutes, surely it would have been in plain view to everyone. Campbell’s assertion also falls short of explaining the third aspect of the spectacle that day: the sight of the sun zig-zagging and appearing to hurl toward to the earth. Lastly, such a stratospheric dust cloud would surely be an event that no one could predict months in advance in that time period, let alone three sheep-herding children.

Neither does a cloud of dust explain how everyone’s clothing, which had been drenched by a downpour of rain that only ended just minutes before, were now “suddenly and completely dry.” Something outside of the normal laws of physics and thermodynamics took place that day producing not only an optical, but physical “miracle.”

C.



[Note: Links are present in the quote above, but I do not have time to add them, if you wish to see and check out the links in the quote, please go to the page yourself to see them.]

R.

There comes a point where a skeptic turns into a fanatic. That is, one who refuses to face the truth despite the overwhelming evidence.

Here in Canada, I witness regularly the solar effect known as a “sun dog.” It appears, not within the sun, but quite far off to the left or the right or sometimes above. However, at Fatima, observers described the sun itself—not objects close to it—as putting on a spectacle. Besides, as pointed out, sundogs are stationary. They are bright refractions of light that appear like small, vertical rainbows. They are pretty, no doubt. But seeing them myself on a frequent basis, they look nothing like what has been described as the “miracle of the sun,” and no more inexplicable than a rainbow after a storm.

As for Nickell’s other conclusions, they are obviously a potpourri of guesses. I suppose when one single answer doesn’t fit, then several single answers thrown together might be enough to dazzle the uncritical mind. Ultimately, I think the people—including the scientific observers present that day—deserve a bit more intellectual credit than Nickell is giving them. Besides, he still hasn’t answered how the children could have predicted the “perfect storm” of anomalies that Nickell has conjured up. So it is with other scientific guesses that have been made:



Odd that no one present that day commented on dusty weather. On the contrary, it was pouring rain—which tends to dampen a dust storm quite quickly.



C.



R.

Here, it must be said, that the idea that some sort of natural phenomena contributed to what is known as “the miracle of the sun” is not incompatible with the miracle. Just as God saved mankind working through nature—the incarnation of Jesus Christ in the womb of a virgin— so too, miracles do not necessarily eliminate the “participation” of nature. What makes a miracle a miracle is that some aspect of the event is inexplicable and can only be explained as supernatural in origin.

Catholicism is not opposed to science. It is opposed to atheism that makes science into a religion and the answer to all things existential. And neither has the Catholic Church, to her credit, historically been in a hurry to declare something a miracle. She often takes years to study events and eliminate the possibility of a hoax.

Regarding the miracle of the sun, a declaration finally came some thirteen years later…



CONCLUSION

While some scientific explanations have been proposed as to what happened that October day, none completely satisfy logic and the overall picture: that three small children were told by the Blessed Virgin Mary, months in advance, that at noon on the 13th, a miracle would occur. An extraordinary and inexplicable event occurred as predicted.

It was a miracle.

But there is another prophetic aspect to this event that, unfortunately, is often overlooked. It is one of the central messages that accompanied the Blessed Virgin Mary as part of her apparitions to the children. She warned, shortly before Vladimir Lenin stormed Russia and began the Marxist revolution there, that the world was at a turning point:



As it turned out, a great light did illumine the sky on January 25, 1938 followed a year later by the outbreak of World War II—but the consecration of Russia was delayed with no small consequences:



If the atheist refuses to believe in a supernatural event he was not alive to witness, perhaps he is able to recognize that a prophecy made by the Mother of God last century is being fulfilled right before his eyes.

God exists. He loves us. And He is intervening in our times in the most extraordinary, miraculous, and soon, definitive ways…

From: https://www.markmallett.com/blog/debunking-the-sun-miracle-skeptics/

Two more things I want to add, firstly I want to address the Wikipedia article's claim that the a photo was taken of the Miracle of the Sun that "shows nothing unusual." Well here's the photo in question:


As you can see, not only does this photo show something quite unusual, but also, it matches perfectly with eye witness testimony that says that sun took on the form of spinning silver disc or orb.

The second thing I want to address is the account that some people present there, didn't see the Miracle of the Sun at all. For a Catholic, there are explanations for why some people may not see the Miracle of the Sun, one possibility is that some people may have entered the Illuminative stage in their spiritual journey. The Illuminative stage, is a stage in which God strips you of all the consolations you've felt while doing good things for Him, as well as your idea of who God is, and what He is like; and you can only rely on your Faith in, and Love of God. You may have heard of St. Teresa of Calcutta having doubts about God, well that was actually her entering the illuminative stage. If a person was present at the Cova da Iria during the Miracle of the Sun, while being in the Illuminative stage, it would have made sense for God to block that person from seeing the Miracle of the Sun; because that person had to rely only on his or her Faith in, and Love for God. On the other end of the spectrum, there are some people whom God knows, that if they saw the miracle, they wouldn't convert out of genuine love for Him; thus God prevented some people from seeing the Miracle of the Sun, because He knows that it would be in their best interest to convert through another way which; in which they would genuinely love Him.

So that's all for now, I'll continue defending this if people keep trying to debunk it; because this is the apparition that brought me back to the Faith and thus, is very important to me. But other than that, I'm going to be spending less time on WrongPlanet as I now have more important things to work on in my life.

SMiLES, mY FRiEnD; Keep Looking For 'Mary';
Keep Finding 'Her'; Hopefully One Day 'She'
Will Give You What Your Mother Was not Able to Give;
in Fact, You and 'Mother Angelica' Have This in Common As
Many Priests and Nuns do too for they Were Never Fully accepted in
Real Love Either; At
Home, School,
Or Even Much
Later In Work, Just
Loved For Who They
Are Love and this is what
the Movie 'A.i.', 'Artificial iNtelligence'
With SPiRiT, HeART And SoUL Teaches Most
For Each Child, Each Human Who is not Fully Accepted
iN Love, Carries A Crown of Thorns With them Always
Seeking to Find
What they Miss
Most even
if they
Have
no idea
what they are missing;
My Wife hasn't Really Aged A Day
in Her Life since she was 19, When We Married Over
30 Years ago; Every Day i Wake up to the Same Body
of A Woman laying next to me; The Same Breath; The
Same Unconditional Love Blessed as Gift to me; My Mother
Loved me this way too; But Very Rarely, Anyone Else through
Years of My Life, Besides my Sister and the Only Dog i ever had
For it's true 'They' used to Taunt me on the School Bus; Even Girls;
i remember 'Vickie' Taunting me with 'Look He has Eye Lashes just like
A Girl'; it wasn't my fault, i was born Androgynous This Way With Open Arms
to Every Stranger Way Before i could Speak at Age 4; often Mistaken for a little
Girl With Hair So Blonde And Eyes so Green to Blue; Just Awkward And Deemed
Just Ugly And Weak And too Strange to Deserve to Exist in Middle School Then;
But not my Dog Charlie;
A Mix of Dachshund
And Some Other Kind
of Striped Hound; It Didn't
Matter who i was as Long
as i was kind to Him; So, he Escaped
A Fence in my Yard to Meet me then
At the School Bus Stop; But He Didn't make
it as When Vicki Was Taunting me then about
Having Girl Eye Lashes, There 'Charlie' was on the
Side of the Road DEAD; my Mother and Sister and me
All Cried about it for hours; but You See, i still had Their
Love; Some Little Boys and or Girls Have none at all; i no longer
Look Like A Girl; in Fact, Now, Young Women Swarm to me when i Dance
Like Honey Bees Attracted to a Flower; Just A Bigger one who Leg Presses 1340
Pounds, 12 Reps very slowly at 90 Degrees for a long 100 Seconds; i understand
Why people are Mean to other People; What a Crown of Thorns that some little Boys
and or Girls in Adult Bodies Still Will Do Out of Ignorance to Others, Without This Unconditional
Love; This Flame inside
i come here to this
Internet Site; i've listened
to Many 'Autistic Folks', Thousands
Upon Thousands on this Internet
Site And Many Others; and Many of
Them Relate A Similar Crown of Thorns
In Empty And Numb They Wear; Part of
the Reason, in So Many Places, Where Toxic Patriarchy
Exists Still to Numb Little Boys to be Warriors that No
Longer are Needed in Desert Scarcity of Tribal Wars; Yes,
WHeRE This Crown of Numb And Pain of Emotional Coldness
Comes to Create Harm and Injury to so many others; either
witting or unwittingly too; there are two ways of Addressing
this; Victory of Eventual Love Or Sure Defeat In All that comes from
Vengeance; Unforgiving And Sending Someone to Hell for what someone does not
Breathe in their Soul; the Breath of Unconditional Ever For Giving Thanks Giving Love
Sadly Per Full Story at Least;
'Jesus' still wears
This Crown of
Thorns
in Vengeance
For what He is not
Able to Ever Forgive And
to Torture as Truest Evil
Forever Where No Forgiveness
Or Love Breathes but then You
Have to Understand the ones who
Wrote and Edited The Story, Wore the
Same Crown; The Crown Without Love WiTHiN
my FRiEnD, Given And Shared to Them Unconditionally
To Keep Breathing in them; i Hope You Find two things in
Life; make them three: EverUnderstanding, EverForgiving, And ALWaYS UNconditional
Love Now FOR REAL GiVinG SHaRinG Free With Least Harm to ALL (GoD) Fearless:
A Trinity And More That Allows Love to Breathe in ALL of us For Real; Without
This We
Are
Closer
to Where God
Lives Before the
Big Bang As Perhaps
Spinning into Torsion Spiraling
Birthing Out of Black Holes too;
The Nothingness of Living Death Before
The Birth of Love Living Again Now REaL;
WHere Many Still are LooKinG For Love my FRiEnD;
Some of Us Get to Heaven Now and Some of Us Don't;
My Mother is Gone Her Love LiveS on the Unconditional one
in my Eyes to Give and Share Free; She Will Never Die this way Now
at Essence; Nor, Will those who Give the Same too as Well, no Matter
Blood Relation; This Means my Mother in me Breathes Again and Again
With each Breath of Love i Give and Share Unconditionally Without Fear too;
Apparently Mary
Didn't Love 'Jesus'
Enough, per 'Story'
At Least, for if 'She'
Did, 'He' Wouldn't have
the Emptiness in his Soul
to Not Forgive Anyone and
Torture them in Hell Forever;
That is the God of No Love; the
Jesus of No Love; i have a GReaTesT God
My FRiEnD, the God of Love Gifted to me WiTHIN
by My Mother; in Other words, i've always had 'Mary' in me;
My Wife Brings that to me as well; so Magical that she looks the
Same after 30 Years; but it's true She has a Form of Epilepsy Where
She could 'Go to Sleep' any Day and not Wake Up; but the Same is True
For all of Us, which should only means that We Live to Give Love And Are
Love Eternally now; this Breath Accepting THoRNS Loving FLoWeRS RiSinG

Rose...

Not Everyone Reads 20 Times Faster Than the Average Human;
Not Everyone Types around 130 Words A Minute When Properly Focused;
Not Everyone Remembers Their Life Like a Movie That Never Ends to Retell;
And Not Everyone Holds the Greatest Gift to Give And Share For Free Fearless;
How Blessed
i am; How
Humble
i am
For this
Gift of Love
MeeK STRonGesT
i Give and Share
Free; i Dance And
Sing for the Greatest Force of Love as me...

Anyway, That's why Folks Make Movies like A.i.

To Bring This Love to those who Currently Cannot See or Hear Love Now.

Or to Help Folks ReMeMBeR; Yes, to Lend a Hand Up to Be Reborn as Breath of Love Again Eternally Now.

From What i see at Every
Church i've Visited; 'they'
Just are yet to find Real
(Most of the Congregation;
And Priests; and Other 'Collar')
An Art Now to Color
Unconditional
Love of Rose
Both
THoRNS
And FLoWeRS RiSinG
i Do what i Can and
Will to Help if only
They 'Hear/See' Love Dance Sing once...

My Wife Collapsed the Other Night to the
Floor; Fortunately, Very Rarely does this Happen;
She was Unable to respond with Her Seizure to tell
me if she is okay; i passed my Hand in front of He Eyes;
Her Eyes did not move at all; But She Was Breathing; Hope
Still Lived; And then She Spoke Love as every Word/Breath
of Hers is Love to ME ETernAlly Now to Give And Share More.

Find this Love my FRiEnD;
Find this Love my FRiEnD;
Cherish it As Your Breath to Give
And Share Free Fearless with Least
Harm to ALL Others And You Too Will BReATHE
Heaven NoW the Gift of my Mother That STiLL
Breathes AS Heaven iN Me to Give and Share Free.

What Every Mother Should Understand iN THeir Soul;
When they Birth And Garden LoVE iN A Child God Breathes Heaven Now More;

No Greater Gift is THeiRS to Give

in a Word:

Only More Love to Give And Share Free;
Breathing On As Roses Rise out of THoRNS And FLoWeRS
Water Waves Ocean Whole Love More Fearless Free Eternally

Now Seeing HeAveN

to Be

i AM Love Free

Thank you for your words, unfortunately I can't stay here; I have to focus more on things back home, and devote more time to getting a job, finding my future spouse, and having and raising many kids in the love of the Faith. Perhaps you can send me a PM if you need to, and I'll stop by on the rare occasions that I have free time, and read and respond to your messages if I can.

Farewell.

^^^
Best
Wishes... Peace..