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18 Aug 2020, 3:20 pm

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You do realize that many of the black people living in the US are descended from white slave owners who raped slave women to produce more slaves, right?

But with that said, I don't like Harris either. :nerdy:
Yes I am,I'm sure that's quite common,but Kamala's situation is not that.

On may 24th maybe this would not be a problem,but on may 25th 2020; 8:46 changed race relations in America forever,I feel Biden made a bad choice and it should be pointed out,I mean no judgement's against Harris personally


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18 Aug 2020, 3:36 pm

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You do realize that many of the black people living in the US are descended from white slave owners who raped slave women to produce more slaves, right?

But with that said, I don't like Harris either. :nerdy:
Yes I am,I'm sure that's quite common,but Kamala's situation is not that.

On may 24th maybe this would not be a problem,but on may 25th 2020; 8:46 changed race relations in America forever,I feel Biden made a bad choice and it should be pointed out,I mean no judgement's against Harris personally

You are unavoidably making a judgement about Harris personally when you say Biden was wrong to pick her because of unproven accusations about her distant ancestors.

Only 9% of African American voters think Harris will hurt Biden’s election chances. Simply put - I don’t think your theories survive contact with reality.



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18 Aug 2020, 3:48 pm

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Are you really trying to pretend that because she isn't the descendent of slaves that she isn't black? This is shameful VS, you can be better than this.
That is not really what's being said,it makes no difference as to Harris's race,but should Biden have picked an ancestor of slave owners for VP.


She is a descendant. Not an "ancestor".

So she has an ancestor who was a slave owner? So what? Whats your point exactly?

By the way: virtually all American Blacks, not descended from recent immigrants (but descended slaves in the antebellum south), are descended from White slave owners. More specifically, descended from White men who raped their female ancestors. The average American Black is thought to be of about one third European ancestry according to Britannica because of that.



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18 Aug 2020, 8:06 pm

What I meant was she has ancestors who were slave owners, I made a mistakes if I said otherwise.

The point is that if a republican chose a white VP who had ancestors who owned slaves would that be acceptable.

We all know,of coarse not in a post 8:46 George Floyd world.

I fully understand the issues of ancestry as far as African Americans having slave owners as ancestors, however Harris is not a descendent slaves.

And I have no issue with people who's ancestors owned slaves, whether there white or black on a personal level.But this would never be acceptable in national politics from a white VP candidate.


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18 Aug 2020, 8:09 pm

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What I meant was she has ancestors who were slave owners, I made a mistakes if I said otherwise.

The point is that if a republican chose a white VP who had ancestors who owned slaves would that be acceptable.

We all know,of coarse not in a post 8:46 George Floyd world.

I fully understand the issues of ancestry as far as African Americans having slave owners as ancestors, however Harris is not a descendent slaves.

And I have no issue with people who's ancestors owned slaves, whether there white or black on a personal level.But this would never be acceptable in national politics from a white VP candidate.


Are you going to just completely ignore my post then? :| I was hoping for the Forbes article.



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18 Aug 2020, 8:17 pm

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Kamala Harris, and Barack Obama, are people whose families never felt the sting of American Slavery...


Oh, so they never felt the racism and discrimination faced by other people of color in the US? Or are you suggesting that discrimination in the US has no link to slavery in the US? That somehow that discrimination can discriminate between people of color with and without roots to slavery?



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18 Aug 2020, 8:21 pm

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And I have no issue with people who's ancestors owned slaves, whether there white or black on a personal level.But this would never be acceptable in national politics from a white VP candidate.


Which election would that be? Since up to this point, we have only had white VPs, either candidates or office holders, when was this an issue?



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18 Aug 2020, 8:40 pm

Oh, so they never felt the racism and discrimination faced by other people of color in the US? Or are you suggesting that discrimination in the US has no link to slavery in the US?

They had cush, easy lives. Especially Harris. They have zero to do with poor, disenfranchised inner city blacks---or poor rural whites. Obama got massive educational breaks for being half African, despite being raised by a Midwestern white family in sunny Hawaii.

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18 Aug 2020, 8:49 pm

"Punahou (where Barack went to high school) has long been regarded as an expensive school among locals, but is comparable to Harvard Westlake School and Sidwell Friends School, which charge well over $35,000 in tuition..."

Then it was on to beautiful Occidental College, and (after racking up B's and C's) the Ivy League.

Yeah, the MAN really had it in for Barack.

Compare his upbringing to say Ben Carson's in Detroit. Or Bob Dole's in Kansas.

And don't get me started on Princess Kamala...


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18 Aug 2020, 9:21 pm

I have never said Kamala Harris never felt discrimination or prejudice,have never said that,but if this was a white conservative,the media would be all over this.That is my main point,it's a post may 25th 8 minutes and 46 seconds world and there are higher standards for race relations issues now.
And the media would hold conservatives to that,so shouldn't liberals.


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18 Aug 2020, 9:23 pm

Feyokien wrote:
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What I meant was she has ancestors who were slave owners, I made a mistakes if I said otherwise.

The point is that if a republican chose a white VP who had ancestors who owned slaves would that be acceptable.

We all know,of coarse not in a post 8:46 George Floyd world.

I fully understand the issues of ancestry as far as African Americans having slave owners as ancestors, however Harris is not a descendent slaves.

And I have no issue with people who's ancestors owned slaves, whether there white or black on a personal level.But this would never be acceptable in national politics from a white VP candidate.


Are you going to just completely ignore my post then? :| I was hoping for the Forbes article.

You can Google the Forbes article,I don't have the link.


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18 Aug 2020, 9:33 pm

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You can Google the Forbes article,I don't have the link.


This article?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2020/08/12/kamala-harris-biracial-heritage-has-thrown-conservatives-into-a-tailspin/#4d79d7c629ce

Because that article just furthers my point.

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Conservative pundit Mark Levin opened his BlazeTV show on Tuesday by making remarks about Harris’ heritage and rejecting claims she would be the nation’s first African American VP: “Her ancestry does not go back to American slavery,” he said.

Dinesh D’Souza, an Indian American far-right author and gadfly, suggested Harris could not “claim the African American experience of being descended from slaves” and brought up a 2018 article written by her father, Prof. Donald Harris, who said he is a descendant of slave owner Hamilton Brown, a claim that, according to fact-checking website Snopes, remains unproven.

Levin, alongside other conservative figures making similar claims, were blasted on Twitter by users asking, “Where do you think Black people in Jamaica come from?” One user asked, while another wrote: “Republicans are trying to pretend that Jamaica had no slaves just to pretend the first Black female VP nominee in US history isn’t really Black.”


Slavery is slavery. Does it have to be strictly the American variety to count? :shrug:



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18 Aug 2020, 11:41 pm

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Oh, so they never felt the racism and discrimination faced by other people of color in the US? Or are you suggesting that discrimination in the US has no link to slavery in the US?

They had cush, easy lives. Especially Harris. They have zero to do with poor, disenfranchised inner city blacks---or poor rural whites. Obama got massive educational breaks for being half African, despite being raised by a Midwestern white family in sunny Hawaii.

Cry me a River


Funny how you keep moving the goal posts. Just sayin'.



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Jiheisho wrote:
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Oh, so they never felt the racism and discrimination faced by other people of color in the US? Or are you suggesting that discrimination in the US has no link to slavery in the US?

They had cush, easy lives. Especially Harris. They have zero to do with poor, disenfranchised inner city blacks---or poor rural whites. Obama got massive educational breaks for being half African, despite being raised by a Midwestern white family in sunny Hawaii.

Cry me a River


Funny how you keep moving the goal posts. Just sayin'.


If the point was to actually express a coherent pointed rooted in sympathy, it would appear odd. The goal posts only exist to serve a purpose, sh*****g on Mrs. Harris and introducing the idea that she doesn't count as black.


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19 Aug 2020, 1:59 am

vermontsavant wrote:
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Are you really trying to pretend that because she isn't the descendent of slaves that she isn't black? This is shameful VS, you can be better than this.
That is not really what's being said,it makes no difference as to Harris's race,but should Biden have picked an ancestor of slave owners for VP.


Is it not possible he merely chose the best qualified, or the person he felt was most compatible with his own values?

If the 'sins of the father' are so important, why are we fixated on Harris' ancestry and ignoring Trump being decended from a Klansman? Either way it's not their fault, but it's a dishonest line of reasoning coming from someone who's not bothered by this fact about their candidate.

Now, I'd love to continue this but I have to go shunt cars around until 2am.
I am simply pointing out Biden's poor judgement to make such a choice in these times,if you feel Trump is the greater evil,then that's your prerogative.

Let me ask you this:If a republican chose a white running mate whose ancestor's owned slaves,how would the left react?


They might complain but it wouldn't stick because at the end of the day we're not voting for the ancestor, we're voting for the descendent.

Further, the bulk of people who that would carry weight for aren't likely to vote for any Republican ticket because decades of dog-whistle slander has left the GOP with very little support among people who are likely to care about that issue.


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19 Aug 2020, 3:17 am

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Oh, so they never felt the racism and discrimination faced by other people of color in the US? Or are you suggesting that discrimination in the US has no link to slavery in the US?

They had cush, easy lives. Especially Harris. They have zero to do with poor, disenfranchised inner city blacks---or poor rural whites. Obama got massive educational breaks for being half African, despite being raised by a Midwestern white family in sunny Hawaii.

Cry me a River


Funny how you keep moving the goal posts. Just sayin'.


If the point was to actually express a coherent pointed rooted in sympathy, it would appear odd. The goal posts only exist to serve a purpose, sh*****g on Mrs. Harris and introducing the idea that she doesn't count as black.


I would never say Harris is not black,I would only say if a republican was a descendent of slave owners,the media would crucify them.


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