The Real Joe Biden
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I worry depending on how your election turns out you might not have to pick, you'll get both.
And my country won't be able to handle the refugee crisis.
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It's all blameless when you think your candidate is untouchable.
On the assumption that this was directed towards me: I don't intend to vote for any of the candidates in the presidential election, as doing so (were I able to) may prove slightly illegal.
As a result, I'm more of an objective observer, able to analyse what is occurring without having a vested interest in any particular side, so happy to critise\provide balance to discussions as and where required.
On the assumption that it was aimed at someone else: repeatedly attacking the other side's candidate and then claiming "It's all blameless when you think your candidate is untouchable" does come off as somewhat hypocritical from an objective viewpoint.
A rather bold claim. Could you name a single area in which Biden is to the right of Trump in 2020? Biden’s positions in the 80s and 90s don’t seem particularly relevant given that they were mainstream views at the time.
Biden’s major flaw is that he has adopted too many positions in response to the far left’s attempts to hijack the Democratic Party.
Perhaps a reasonable thing to write in a biography before he became Democratic nominee for President, but his likely presidency (as the most left-wing president since FDR) will overshadow his lifetime as a legislator.
He isn’t great on foreign policy - he was also opposed to the Gulf War, arguably the greatest American foreign intervention. But as President he should have more advisors than he did in Congress.
Hindsight. The crime bill which ramped up incarceration was widely supported by black communities and black legislators because they were particularly suffering from the effects of violent crime. It’s only with history that consensus has swung against the bill with all its unintended consequences, and improvements in criminology showing it probably wasn’t necessary. But it was a mainstream position.
Today, Joe Biden is against mass incarceration and suggests several meaningful policies to combat it, including $20bn of investment.
Again, a mainstream position in the 90s. However, in 2012 Joe Biden came out in favour of same-sex marriage during the Presidential campaign, and before Obama did (in fact it put Obama under a lot of pressure to say he supported it too).
Today, Joe Biden supports same-sex marriage.
A mainstream position, particularly in the 90s. Today, Joe Biden supports the legislation of cannabis.
Leaving aside that “socialised medicine” is a meaningless phrase...
A mainstream position even today. However, Joe Biden supports an expansion of Obamacare and a public option.
A mainstream view in the 70s and even today. However, you’ve misrepresented Biden’s 70s vote. He did not vote to make bussing illegal, he voted to stop the federal government mandating it.
This seems to be a rather left-wing idea. It was aimed at fighting drug kingpins but as the safeguards were removed it started being used to go after parents of kids who sold cannabis. Really stupid to remove the safeguards - sure, they protected drug lords, but they also protected ordinary Americans.
Speaking as a neoliberal - Joe Biden is a good candidate who will vastly improve on Trump, but he’s too left wing to be a true neoliberal. He has a history of being opposed to free trade which is absolutely central to neoliberalism.
Some of Joe Biden’s far-left policies:
- Federal $15 an hour minimum wage
- $400bn “buy American” campaign
- $10,000 of student loan debt forgiveness.
- Two years of free college
- $2.25trn investment in healthcare
- Reversing cuts to corporation tax
(I happen to think his proposed spending on pre-school, energy innovation, and prison reform are sensible, likely to be highly efficacious, and necessary. They would doubtless also appeal to the sections of the far-left that aren’t constantly purity testing).
Again this seems to strip out all the nuance. Biden has a history of both dovish and hawkish views. He was the dove in the Obama White House, and opposed the Gulf War and even the assassination of Osama Bin Laden.
He has a family who have jobs?! Unacceptable.
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Donald Trump lent Jesse Jackson (and Al Sharpton!) cash, and donated a campaign headquarters to Jesse.
Joe Biden was the single biggest Congressional foe of Jackson's 1984 run for the Presidency, a fact which every black Ameerican should remember. Biden undermined Jackson, and ruled out Jesse as a VP if he won.
Biden was a warrioir against the busing of black kids into white communities.
Biden backed several measures barring any federal money from being used in abortions. He told a reporter that he "disliked" Roe vs Wade. Later, "I do not view abortion as a choice and a right. I think it's always a tragedy"
Biden repeatedly invoked Delaware's history as a "slave state" to make his case to Southern voters. Quote: We only fought for the Union because we couldn't figure out how to get to the South
Biden partnered with uber-Racist Strom Thurman to push the Compreeensive Forfeiture Act, looting black communities of millions of dollars.
Biden pushed the law that made crack cocaine distribution 100 times more punishable than the distribution of regular cocaine.
Biden is an architect of the notorious Patriot Act
Biden voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006 to build...a Wall across the Mexican Border. I suppose that ties him with the Donald
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I note that you once again haven’t offered any evidence to support your claim that Joe Biden is to the right of Donald Trump.
In 1984 Jackson was opposed by multiple Congressmen, most significantly Gary Hart who came second behind Mondale. Presumably you mean 1988, when Biden ran for the Presidency. An easy and insignificant mistake. Here are Biden’s famous words about Jackson, delivered to a mostly black audience:
“But just as I and many other white leaders reject the voices of those who are calling for caution, you must reject the voices in this movement who tell black Americans to go it alone, who tell you that coalitions don’t work anymore, that whites and Catholics and Jews no longer care about the problems of black America, that only black should represent black.”
So, anything to say about Joe Biden’s current policies, or is misrepresentations of decades-old policies all you have?
It’s not quite “Kamala Harris is bad because she might be descended from a slave owner” but it’s heading in that direction.
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No we don't; you might have changed your mind in some way. Thus, this doesn't say anything!
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No we don't; you might have changed your mind in some way. Thus, this doesn't say anything!
You just locked my anti-Biden thread
If you have not read my posts: I don't like Joe Biden.Point clarified.
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Ah OK; it was because of members squabbling and bickering on the thread.
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I'm also having a hard time seeing exactly *what* people specifically have against Joe Biden's political views...
- Are they against Biden because they disagree with his policy positions 25 years ago?
- Are they against Biden because they disagree with his policy positions today?
- Are they against Biden because they disagree with his policy positions during the Middle Ages, when he was middle age?
I have noticed the loudest voices about US politics on this site ( pro or con ) are not located in America.
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I have noticed the loudest voices about US politics on this site ( pro or con ) are not located in America.
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- Are they against Biden because they disagree with his policy positions 25 years ago?
- Are they against Biden because they disagree with his policy positions today?
- Are they against Biden because they disagree with his policy positions during the Middle Ages, when he was middle age?
I don't know if you're American, but the simple fact is that many Americans passionately despise Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and anybody associated with those three, one of whom is Joe Biden. The reasons for hating them are irrelevant and debating those reasons is a waste of breath.
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- Are they against Biden because they disagree with his policy positions 25 years ago?
- Are they against Biden because they disagree with his policy positions today?
- Are they against Biden because they disagree with his policy positions during the Middle Ages, when he was middle age?
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- Are they against Biden because they disagree with his policy positions 25 years ago?
- Are they against Biden because they disagree with his policy positions today?
- Are they against Biden because they disagree with his policy positions during the Middle Ages, when he was middle age?
Yet your reply tells me nothing about what you specifically disagree with Joe Biden about…
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