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29 Aug 2020, 1:09 pm

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People think of Capitalists as greedy and heartless towards the plight of the poor.

Animosity towards Capitalism is quite common nowadays. In the US, a lot of people on the left were outspokenly unimpressed with Barack Obama because they believed he is at heart a Capitalist. These people are convinced that Capitalism it the root cause of our society's ills, however unlike Communists they seldom articulate a clear plan for replacing it. The Baltimore Sun's long-time media critic David Zurawik was fond of pointing out that The Sopranos wasn't really about organized crime but about Capitalism (which when I have asked around I have found very few people eager to question him on that). Ironically, recent events in the US have made me more sympathetic to this point of view. I guess it depends on your personal definition of Capitalism. Communism is well defined because it has not only a Manifesto but Das Kapital to explains its aims in detail. Capitalism not so much.

I think people nowadays see Capitalists as... how do I put this delicately? Blood-sucking leeches who drain the life fluid out of the working class AND third world countries.

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29 Aug 2020, 1:17 pm

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Why does communism? A more interesting question: Why isn't communism as shunned?

Communists never exterminated anybody because of their race, religion, sexual orientation or gender identity—which the Nazis did and the GOP wants to do.

...Except for all the times they did exactly that and more?

To be fair to Tim, I can't think of any instances of communists exterminating people based on gender identity. But the century is young...

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29 Aug 2020, 1:20 pm

Maybe because the separation of gender from sex didn't come about until the...60's, I think?

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29 Aug 2020, 1:32 pm

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Might be because 'real communism' hasn't been tried yet, much like 'real sharia' hasn't (great minds think alike don't they....).

Hehe.

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I'm trying to recall if I have ever heard someone saying that the German incident "wasn't real Nazism". I don't think I have.

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29 Aug 2020, 1:39 pm

Anyway what I really meant to say was that the Allies in Germany weren't really fighting Nazism, they were fighting Germany. Germany may have been defeated but Nazism lived on, waiting for a new "host". Is the wait over?

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29 Aug 2020, 1:40 pm

Mikah wrote:

Why does communism? A more interesting question: Why isn't communism as shunned?

First of all, you need to show that communism is not shunned as much as fascism. We seem to be seeing a resurgence in fascism around the world.

And what do you mean by communism? Are you talking about how the Soviet Union and China implemented the concepts? You could say that communism is alive and well in those countries--simply strong centralized governments.

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29 Aug 2020, 1:42 pm

The NAZIs did not invent racism. It existed long before the Third Reich and continues today. Racism in a very easy and comforting ideology.

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29 Aug 2020, 1:44 pm

If you run into an open "Nazi" (or Klansman, or Black Muslim) these days, chances are good that you are in the presence of a paid government mole, who is trying to stir up trouble (and get paid!).

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29 Aug 2020, 1:46 pm

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If you run into an open "Nazi" (or Klansman, or Black Muslim) these days, chances are good that you are in the presence of a paid government mole, who is trying to stir up trouble (and get paid!).

You mean like Richard Spencer...

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29 Aug 2020, 1:59 pm

Exterminate...no, but Castro did imprison folks for being gay, or being cross dressers, along with other dissidents and political prisoners.

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29 Aug 2020, 2:02 pm

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First of all, you need to show that communism is not shunned as much as fascism.

Hmm, well that might be a challenge. I doubt there are any knock-out studies of the sort that would please everyone, but I still feel safe in the proposition. Anecdotes do not make data etc but this fairly recent incident comes to mind:

This lady is far from shunned the way self declared Nazis are and if she had said "I'm literally a Nazi/Fascist, you idiot". I doubt she would be seen out in polite company ever again. It sparked a few, mostly lighthearted articles - again if she had said nazi or fascist I think unilateral condemnation from all parties in the msm would have been seen, but this is something I cannot prove.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ers-morgan
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ers-morgan
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dont ... -9wn7986x2

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29 Aug 2020, 2:02 pm

You mean like Richard Spencer...

Yep. Richard Spencer is a fraud. He's a privileged member of the Bush circle with a top-notch education. An obvious paid agent.

Oh, wait, he's "supporting" Joe Biden now? I take it back. He is a legitimate figure of the Right :jester:

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29 Aug 2020, 2:08 pm

Don't let's forget BLM and their "trained Marxists".

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29 Aug 2020, 2:10 pm

Jiheisho wrote:

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If you run into an open "Nazi" (or Klansman, or Black Muslim) these days, chances are good that you are in the presence of a paid government mole, who is trying to stir up trouble (and get paid!).

You mean like Richard Spencer...

Spencer is an odd one, I wouldn't be surprised to learn later he was an asset of some sort. Government (or indeed privately funded) traps are always worth considering as a possibility. There is some truth to the old joke about the far right group discovering that their entire member roll consists of spooks and journalists all goading each other into criminal behaviour.

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29 Aug 2020, 2:13 pm

BLM, Nazis, Spencer...there are a LOT of "radicals" floating around with no day jobs who can apparently protest for weeks without pay.

Or are they being paid...? :twisted:

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29 Aug 2020, 2:16 pm

Romofan wrote:

BLM, Nazis, Spencer...there are a LOT of "radicals" floating around with no day jobs who can apparently protest for weeks without pay.

Or are they being paid...? :twisted:

Indeed, there is no such thing as a spontaneous protest.

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