Republican civil unrest, after the Democratic win.

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29 Nov 2020, 1:18 am

Well it seems to be unlocked still



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29 Nov 2020, 1:59 am


The Fables newspaper



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30 Nov 2020, 12:41 am

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Kamala Harris (Like Obama and his family) will need 24 hr security to protect her from the rabid right wing crazies.


All US presidents and vice presidents and their families have gotten 24 hr security to protect them from crazies.



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30 Nov 2020, 1:18 am

Two predictions.

1. There will be no Portland riot Seattle CHOP style civil unrest from the right.

2. After Biden is in office, WP news and current events and PPR will mostly dry up.



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30 Nov 2020, 1:25 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
2. After Biden is in office, WP news and current events and PPR will mostly dry up.


I took a year off while Obama was pres...when you have a competent leader there isn't much to criticise.



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30 Nov 2020, 2:04 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
Two predictions.

1. There will be no Portland riot Seattle CHOP style civil unrest from the right.

2. After Biden is in office, WP news and current events and PPR will mostly dry up.


It survived just fine before Trump, and I suspect it'll still be around through the Biden years.


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30 Nov 2020, 3:03 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Two predictions.

1. There will be no Portland riot Seattle CHOP style civil unrest from the right.

2. After Biden is in office, WP news and current events and PPR will mostly dry up.


It survived just fine before Trump, and I suspect it'll still be around through the Biden years.


Indeed, I remember the pleasant banter of the Obama years, I expect the same from Joe :D



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30 Nov 2020, 4:10 am

cyberdad wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
2. After Biden is in office, WP news and current events and PPR will mostly dry up.


I took a year off while Obama was pres...when you have a competent leader there isn't much to criticise.


Obama was a great figurehead, but a pathetic President, partly because he didn't have control of both "Houses"(?).



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30 Nov 2020, 4:12 am

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It just proves Democrats and Republicans are supported by dumbasses. It's truly remarkable how gullible people are. I've said it multiple times the Democrats and Republicans are 2 sides of the same coin.


In theory, this could become quite interesting...

On the one hand you have 2 parties which appear to be undergoing a "rebalancing", where the "lower class" are starting to move towards the Republicans and the "upper class"\elites towards the Democrats:
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The Bloomberg News analysis of employee giving through ActBlue and WinRed doesn’t account for all itemized individual contributions, and doesn’t take into account how much people who aren’t employed gave this year. But contributions through the two platforms still account for 57% of all donations to the Trump and Biden campaigns this year, and provide a glimpse into the spending of donors who give less than $200 and aren’t otherwise reflected in Federal Election Commission reports.

Trump generally fared better with manual laborers, with 84% of donors who reported being ranchers and 75% of construction workers giving to him. The vast majority of donors who work as college professors, deans or who were otherwise employed by colleges or universities gave to Biden.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-election-trump-biden-donors/ (nice illustration of job roles and where they were more likely to have contributed is included)

Added to this, you have the Democrats giving the appearance of moving towards the "left" (or at least certain sections do), whilst at the same time the Republicans appear split between the "Trump" and the "not Trump" groups. This gives the appearance of 3 "groups" constrained within 2 "parties":
The "left" of the Democrats.
The "Trump" Republicans.
The remainder of the Democrats and Republicans.

Looking backwards for similar historical conditions, one example, with a number of similarities to now (particularly should some states send 2 sets of electors through the legislature concluding there was fraud which altered their state's legitimate winner), would be 1824.

Back then there were 4 candidates (rather than the curent 2), and all were from the same party (which, considering how often some people say there's no difference between the current 2 parties, would indicate a similar circumstance - The candidates back then all came from the "Democratic-Republican" party, too). The result of that election was contested, with the eventual winner having won fewer states than the "runner up" (Excluding the states with lawsuits underway, this would appear to be the case this year as well - With the results as they stand it is 25:25). This led to the "runner up" and his supporters breaking away from their existing party and forming a new one, with him winning the subsequent election in a landslide.

Of course, this is one way of looking at the current situation, but having a record number of votes received by Mr Trump (with minimal media support he has exceeded the winning total of votes of any previous President, and increased, rather than decreased, his personal vote count), and Mr Biden's campaign relying on his not being "Trump", along with the anomolies which have been noted regarding the election, it isn't out of the question for something similar to occur, with a "Trump" party forming from his supporters, and breaking away from the Republicans (or, alternatively, moving to push the "not Trump" Republicans out).

This would result in an interesting election in 2024, should Mr Trump be running (there is nothing to indicate that he wouldn't), having 4 years to "oppose" a Biden\Harris Presidency, and continue their claims of this year's having been won through fraud (in the same way Democrats claimed "Russian interference" caused their loss in 2016), given Mr Biden (or Ms Harris) would be in a position of constant "defence" from Trump support claims of fraud this year (similar to that endured by Mr Trump with the "Russia intereference" claims), when less than 60% of the voters who voted for them were "true supporters", with the remainder being "Not Trump", or "unsure":
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But among Biden voters, only 56% say they were voting for Biden. Twenty-nine percent (29%) of these voters say they were voting against Trump, while a surprisingly high 15% are not sure.

Source: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/only_56_of_biden_voters_say_they_were_voting_for_biden
and even among Democrat voters, there is a report that around 30% who believe their party commited fraud to win:
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"How likely is it that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win?"

Democrats - 30% - 20% say Very Likely (VL)
Unaffiliated - 39% - 29% say VL
Republicans - 75% - 61% say VL
All Voters - 47% - 36% say VL

This doesn’t per se mean that these people believe that Trump won, as Biden getting the most votes and Democrats committing election fraud are not necessarily mutually exclusive. For example, you might think that several small occurrences of “stealing votes” happened, but nothing big enough to affect the results.

Source: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/49902/is-there-a-rasmussen-poll-according-to-which-30-of-democrats-believe-trump-won - unable to confirm specific numbers, but from the actual survey:
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Forty-seven percent (47%) say it’s likely that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win, but 50% disagree. This includes 36% who say it’s Very Likely and 41% who consider it Not At All Likely.

Source: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/61_think_trump_should_concede_to_biden

So, at this point, you have a large group of voters who believe the result was fraudulently obtained, and who will now be able (and likely) to focus their efforts on frustrating the aims of the "winner", and who, as a result of how they are portrayed (consider how, even on this site, "conservative" or "right-wing" is automatically treated as being "racist"\"nazi"\etc.) are unlikely to be swayed to support those who have demonised them over such a long period of time. The result of their efforts are more likely to increase the support in 2024, as a result of the "Not Trump" and "undecided" Biden voters being more amenable to changing to vote for Mr. Trump, should Mr. Biden\Ms. Harris be seen as either ineffective, or through their implementing policies with which they disagree. It is likely that the only real way to decrease the number of supporters Mr. Trump has would be through implementing policies which his supporters believe in, but that would risk alienating the suport Mr. Biden\Ms. Harris will need in 2024...

All in all, there is a reasonable chance that this "victory" by the Democrats (with attached loss of seats in the house) may not lead to the results they want in the long term, particularly as I believe the incumbent President's party generally loses seats in the house in the "mid-terms", and they can't afford to lose too many now, with the slim majority they hold.



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30 Nov 2020, 5:12 am

cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Two predictions.

1. There will be no Portland riot Seattle CHOP style civil unrest from the right.

2. After Biden is in office, WP news and current events and PPR will mostly dry up.


It survived just fine before Trump, and I suspect it'll still be around through the Biden years.


Indeed, I remember the pleasant banter of the Obama years, I expect the same from Joe :D


But of course! 8)


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30 Nov 2020, 5:21 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Two predictions.

1. There will be no Portland riot Seattle CHOP style civil unrest from the right.

2. After Biden is in office, WP news and current events and PPR will mostly dry up.


It survived just fine before Trump, and I suspect it'll still be around through the Biden years.


Indeed, I remember the pleasant banter of the Obama years, I expect the same from Joe :D


But of course! 8)


I must say I love the sound of "post trump" :lol:



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30 Nov 2020, 5:54 am

cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Two predictions.

1. There will be no Portland riot Seattle CHOP style civil unrest from the right.

2. After Biden is in office, WP news and current events and PPR will mostly dry up.


It survived just fine before Trump, and I suspect it'll still be around through the Biden years.


Indeed, I remember the pleasant banter of the Obama years, I expect the same from Joe :D


But of course! 8)


I must say I love the sound of "post trump" :lol:


It's music to my ears!


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30 Nov 2020, 6:07 am

cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Two predictions.

1. There will be no Portland riot Seattle CHOP style civil unrest from the right.

2. After Biden is in office, WP news and current events and PPR will mostly dry up.


It survived just fine before Trump, and I suspect it'll still be around through the Biden years.


Indeed, I remember the pleasant banter of the Obama years, I expect the same from Joe :D


But of course! 8)


I must say I love the sound of "post trump" :lol:


You mean because there aren't any riots? 8O



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30 Nov 2020, 6:44 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Two predictions.

1. There will be no Portland riot Seattle CHOP style civil unrest from the right.

2. After Biden is in office, WP news and current events and PPR will mostly dry up.


It survived just fine before Trump, and I suspect it'll still be around through the Biden years.


Indeed, I remember the pleasant banter of the Obama years, I expect the same from Joe :D


But of course! 8)


I must say I love the sound of "post trump" :lol:


It's music to my ears!


Mine too. Maybe someday there won't be several threads about him.



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30 Nov 2020, 9:31 am

I suspected this would happen sooner or later: Someone tried to get me in trouble by accusing me of something I did not do.  Then, when I denied it, he accused me of lying about it by saying, "Leftie liberals like him always lie."

:roll: Is this what it takes for them to "Make America Great Again"?



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30 Nov 2020, 11:56 am

They're just so deplorable *sigh*