Should Christians have sex?

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No screw-up. Plan.

that's sadistic

that's sadistic

... God restores all Job's former blessings -- and He DOUBLES THEM....

... Doesn't it strike you as approximately the same as a man betting his wife in a poker game? Look, I don't care if he split some of the winnings with Job (just as a man might buy his wife a present), it's the bet itself that was terrible.

What an awful story.

Ragtime wrote:



Ragtime: I think you are a sincere guy. I think you truly want to "save" the world. My problem with you is your approach. I think your above statement is ridiculous. It's a lot like your poll in the "Contrarian" thread. Why is it so important, or necessary for people to "concede" to it? It's time for me to lay my cards on the table with you. I don't want to play the age card, because I do not believe that age necessarily equals wisdom. But I have been around for a long time, 65 years to be exact. Much of my childhood was spent surrounded by people very much like you. They were supposed to be my loving family, but they were my tormentors and my abusers. I'm not talking about sexual abuse, I'm talking about emotional abuse. They wanted other people to think just like them and live just like them and be just like them. They wanted people to "concede" to that same statement above. And if those people would not concede, in addition to being damned to hell upon their deaths, they would be subjected to hell on earth by those same people who were so determined to "save" them. I could never figure this out.

My mother's father was the ring-leader, the head tormentor; Ira, the Baptist, is how I refer to him. He was a Southern Baptist and believed that each soul he saved would be a "jewel in his crown" when he got to heaven. He went door to door, with the preacher, on their mission to make people concede to that statement. "Repent and Be Saved". There's nothing wrong with that. It could even be viewed as admirable, zealous, magnanimous. The problem is, he hurt far more people than he saved.

My father was Italian and Catholic. Two strikes against him right off the bat. My dad was a kind, intelligent, gentle man. I never witnessed him saying anything vicious about anyone. He brought all of my mother's family down out of the coal mines and poverty of the mountains in Pennsylvania, and helped them all to get jobs and a place to live. And yet, my grandfather hated him because he was Italian and Catholic. I wanted my grandfather to love me as he seemed to love my many cousins who were Baptist. So I snuck off to the Baptist church with him and my grandmother, I sang their hymns and studied the bible. Even though I was only eight years old at the time, I let them "save" me, and baptize me in the pool. I conceded, "Yes, I'm a sinner. Yes, I repent. Yes, I want to be saved." I'll do anything for your love, Grampa. Love me as my as you love my cousins.
Looking back on that now, I think it was a form of child abuse. I was only a jewel in his crown when he got to heaven. But I was always the outcast, because I was Italian and my father was Catholic.
My grandfather and some of my aunts and uncles like to tell me terrible stories of how my father would be going to hell. About the Knights of Columbus, of which my father was a member, and how they were led by the devil and going to try and take over the world and kill everyone who was not Catholic, and slice open the bellies of pregnant protestants and kill their babies.
I remember becoming hysterical upon hearing those words and sobbing to them that "My father would never do anything like that. My father is good." That's why I become so enraged by your bigoted remarks about Catholics and your refusal to see that a person's religion does not determine where he spends eternity, if you even believe in eternity. It's what's in his heart and his soul, it's how he treats the rest of humanity, especially those who are different than him.

that's sadistic

Sex is for atheists.

So whacha waitin' for?
But seriously, I don't care if I never have it again.

Slight misquote from Gump aside, your preaching is non-sequitur to my question.