Required reading for male feminists

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I was physically AND emotionally abused by a narcissistic, bipolar alcoholic who never uttered a word of encouragement, but who seemed to believe that beatings were required for male children.  So when you say...... I naturally associate narcissism (as well as other characteristics) with the imposition of one's will over another.  If you can convince one of the mods to change the word "Required" to "Recommended" in the subject of this thread, I will apologize.

Clementine Ford isn’t a prominent figure in mainstream feminism. #killallmen was never a prominent feminist hashtag.

The vast majority of feminists are liberal feminists, not radical feminists. The vast majority of radical feminists do not advocate for violence. Violent radical feminists are a statistical error in a world full of routine misogynistic violence.

Do you think people are going to fall for this?

I agree with you, KT, and here is why...Are we expected to take the word of a misandric, schizophrenic, ex-convict who attempted to murder three men in cold blood, and who also urged women to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and eliminate the male sex?

Why should any man who supports women's rights take Valerie Jean Solanas seriously?  Why should any person consider her writings worth reading in the first place, unless such a person is writing their own dissertation on abnormal psychology?

Sounds like a figure who should neither be taken seriously, or really mocked with regards to mental illness was improperly managed.

I don't see how such a figure's writing should be some kind of required reading.

I didn't say that this is a comprehensive list. I only mentioned that the SCUM Manifesto should be included in such a list.

Also, apparently you missed this:

To quote:

"SCUM Manifesto is a manifesto by Valerie Solanas, published in 1967. It argues that men have ruined the world, and that it is up to women to fix it. To achieve this goal, it suggests the formation of SCUM, an organization dedicated to overthrowing society and eliminating the male sex."

"In order to destroy the system, violent action is necessary..."

"The Manifesto ends by describing a female-dominated utopian future with, eventually, no men..."

Maybe I'm missing something... How is "violent action" in the name of "eliminating the male sex" not misandry?

In what way is this supposed to help men become a feminist ally? Are men to donate a tenner to fund the cause, and then kill themselves to save "SCUM" the trouble of having to do it later?

The manifesto seems pretty clear and adamant about these things. Are men suppose to try to somehow learn how to be better allies, and just ignore the whole "eliminate all men" part? That's quite a big detail to just up and ignore. And, most of the manifesto is just a list of reasons men are terrible. How is this supposed to help men?

As has been noted, the author of the manifesto has a documented history of mental issues. I don't know that I'd look to someone like that for emotional guidance.

OP, clearly you've been hurt by someone, by your own admission. It's easy to leap to easy answers when it comes to explaining why bad things happen to us. The mind likes there to be a reason why things happen. The idea that bad things can just happen to anyone, for no reason at all, is scary. It's comforting come to conclusions like, MEN caused this, MEN are the reason I'm unsafe, and bad things happened to me - cos then you can seek resolution in eliminating men - if there are no men, there is no danger, and you can feel safe, and that bad thing will never have to happen to you again. Unfortunately, that's not actually how that works. Even if you find someone else who agrees with you.

Let's just assume that feminism is not about ending the species (you know... The inevitable consequence of killing all men).

Replace the word "men" in what you wrote with "blacks", "Jews", or "homosexuals", and you'll find it unacceptable. But when men are the target, you excuse it.

I suspect dorkseid was trying to convince men not to be feminists.


It looks more like uncommondenominator was explaining why someone might feel that way, not saying it's OK to feel that way.


If I've assumed either of your reasons/thoughts wrong sorry!

The only thing SCUM manifesto seems to accomplish is that it makes feminists and feminist-aligned people look bad via the works of one person whose opinion is in the vast minority and shouldn't matter.

If anything, writings like this and people like Valerie Solanas should be ignored. I can only imagine anti-feminists and TERFs valuing her work.

No I don't assume any such thing. But your original post came across as being opposed to women's rights. Your original post was not just objecting to misandry. Rather, you seemed to be tying misandry to women's rights.

If that was not your intent, please clarify.

Then how do you explain the countless instances of misandry I've personally experienced throughout my life?

After my ex-fiancé abused me emotionally for over two years, I was attacked numerous times by feminists who insisted that I must be the bad guy because I'm the man in the situation despite having no evidence of that. Some even went as far as to openly admit that, as feminists, it is their duty to stand with me ex even if she was the party at fault. They didn't even care that I was victimized; I'm male and therefore I'm scum by default. I was still being attacked by feminists as much as eight years later.

Even after thoroughly explaining that I have ASD, suffer from anxiety and depression, and am unemployed and homeless as a result; feminists persisted that, as a "privileged" male, that my plight was my own fault because I was too lazy to hold a job.

Growing up, I was regularly subjected to misandry from my own mother. She routinely made comments belittling men and blaming us for everything wrong in the world. More than once she went as far as to say she looked forward to the eradication of all men.

And I remind you again of the popular feminist hashtag #killallmen.

So don't try to tell me that feminism is about anything other than misandry.

Were they directed at you because you are a man, or because of your appearance, behavior, and attitude?

So we're victim blaming now?!

Do you see yourself as a victim or a survivor?

A little from Column A, a little from Column B.