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I think that all sacrifices were intended as symbolic. Adam and Eve’s sin was covered by the sacrifice of animals while their physical nakedness was covered by the skin of the sacrificed animals, and God Himself performed the act of slaughter on their behalf. It was an act of atonement, not some magical switcheroo that placed sin into an animal body or blood. Same with Jesus. He didn’t literally become sin, but rather made Himself our sin offering. He didn’t take all of our sins in Himself, but rather assumed responsibility and consequences for sin. For the ancient Israelites, it is a means of confessing and acknowledging sin, an open display of one’s desire that God remove sin.

I also don’t see the point of why Mary HAD to be immaculately conceived. It is not logically necessary that the Messiah be born of a woman born free of sin nature. If so, would not Mary’s entire ancestry have to be immaculately conceived? Eve sinned by eating the forbidden fruit, therefore no woman could be free of sin nature. Mary couldn’t be an exception. Plus, there’s no evidence from the Bible that she was.

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Evening Becomes Sunrise Healing

"Evidence or No Evidence From the Bible"

I've Heard That Phrase Before Both Ways

And Indeed According to the Story Jesus

Said It Wasn't He Who Healed As in Effect

As Affect He Was Only 'Placebo' Of Affect

For Faith of the Individual Who Healed Themselves

Through Their Great Faith of Belief That Indeed That Fruition

Of Healing Comes to be; my, my, How Science Agrees With the Jesus

Story Point of View

That Placebo

Works As True

Jesus Is Truly A Sugar

Pill For Many Who Truly Believe

That Works; Yet, You See the Story

Hasn't changed And Science agrees

It is Not the Sugar Pill That Heals Yet

The Great Faith, the Belief of the Person

Who Believes in the Sugar Pill Who Heals Themselves...

For Some the Sugar Pill of the Story of Jesus Works; Really, Really

Works as Science Agrees in Effect of Affect of Real Life Stories now it does;

As Our Minds Will Respond to a Story; Our Faith of Belief in Healing No Different

Than 'the Healer';

'The Doctor' in

Good Bed Side Manner

Who Offers the Patient

The Sugar Pill of Belief in
Faith that Makes the Real Magic
of Placebo Effect Work for them; where
Even in Some Cases, Incurable Assessed
Disease Goes into Remission and stays

That Way

Till Other Natural
Or Accidental Death As Such;

So Yeah, that Story of Jesus is really
Good News; And It's Really True for what
The Faith of a Mustard Seed Will Do as small

As A Sugar Pill or Just Words; Story of A Teacher
Offered in a Book For Humans to Develop Their

Mustard Seeds of Faith; This Loving Belief in Positive
Outcomes in Life With Real Positive Emotional Intent

As Basically the Other 95 Percent of Our Minds, the Subconscious
Part that actually Comes First in All the Decisions We Make in Life

Does all the 'Fore Play Leg Work' to make Relatively Speaking Miracles of
Life Come Real In Action; Yes, it works; Science Proves it does; Why More Folks

Don't Emphasize this Good News of Truth in Light; This way of Healing Through
Faith And Belief of the Mustard Tree Seed Growing into Real Living Trees Now of

Real Miracles this way; Sadly This Good News Is often Lost; And While Some Folks Pray
to themselves; They May Forget The Good Intention of the Jesus Sugar Pill to Reach

Out A Hand

of Positive Affirmation

Of Healing Love to the

Neighbor Who was once

A Stranger or Even Enemy at their side...

How Beautiful this Story of Jesus is; How sad

It is that some folks Only See it with Bended

Knee Never Truly RiSinG as they Otherwise Do

As Evening Becomes Sunrise Healing

As Shadows Become Light Again...

And this is the Power of Story

And this is the Power of Sugar Pills

And This is the Power of Sugar Pills That

Are Mountains of Snow That Warm Hearts Into Love....

As Living

Trees

Bloom

And Fierce Lions
Who Eat Antelopes
Who Eat Grass Die

And Fertilize THE EartH
THE EartH Coloring EartH
FLoWeRS Yet to be Born

As THiS iS How Lions
Become Meek and

iNHeRiT

THE Earth

As DandeLioN FLoWeRS

Weeds Born More to Color LoVE

Spring is Coming, And The Dandelions

Will Soon Be Blooming In Our Yard And

While the Neighbors May Frown Seeing

The Golden Crowned Weeds Across my

Yard, i Will Leave Them There For A

While to

Inspire

All of the

Love of Beauty i Bloom

My wife only Sees Weeds She

Is Beautiful i Am Old And Just

A Man Yet i See Flowers And Write

Poetry Inspiring Love Where Young Women

See me as Rainbow instead of 60 Year-old Man...

Evening Becomes Sunrise Healing It is No Lie it is Truth in LiGHT

-Evening Star

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Fortunately most people only have a theoretical understanding of slavery...

Another thing where weirdly I have a story...

There was a family in a village I worked in who kept slaves.

It wouldn't have been right for me to kidnap their slaves.

Not because it's theft, as was the argument against it in eras where it was condoned, but because it would be kidnapping another human being.

Now the people who freed those slaves and (cos it's illegal in this country) got the slavers arrested & thrown in jail? Heroes.

The people who freed the Black slaves in the 'antebellum south' or helped them escape? Also heroes.

Two wrongs against a third party don't make a right.

Even if that third party was closer to one than the other. Even in cases of genuine closeness rather than just 'same race'.* If you beat your wife & your friend beats her up, the moral answer is nobody beating anyone up, not 'let the husband do it'.

*Race is socially constructed so I doubt the Africans saw themselves and the tribes they conquered as the same race anyway.

Everything we think and say and do has consequences for ourselves and for others, and those consequences do not always reflect the deeds we commit or the intent and motivations behind them.

"No good deed goes unpunished." -- Common wisdom, attributed to many.

Plenty of research shows that helping others, in small and large ways, is a path to happiness as well as success.

But helping others can backfire.

You can be punished for:
• Helping people who do not want to be helped.
• Helping others for the wrong reasons (i.e., greed, pride, et cetera).
• Getting involve in situations for which you are unprepared.
• Failing to protect your personal boundaries (e.g., lack of objectivity).
• Lacking in tact.

As aghogday commented re Satan and Lucifer ...

All that you wrote, MG was well said, but ... Satan in the Old Testament is Hebrew for The Accuser(see Job). Lucifer is the name of an Angel that rebelled against God and is different. The serpent in Genesis is not identified as the Satan. The two were not linked as one. Lucifer is the Devil, but the Satan is not. It’s a common misconception. Just a technical point.

I believe this to be true.

Jesus said to love God with all your heart, and to love your neighbor as yourself. Beyond that, he was against the legalism and literalism of 1st century Judaism. Then later, Paul saw no need for Judaic dietary and purity laws, as they had only served to separate Jews from Gentiles at a stage when he felt there was no longer any difference between Christians, be they Jews or Gentiles. So, yes, there is a difference between the Old and New Testaments.

Granted, Mary's immaculate conception is apocryphal and hasn't been canon for a few hundred years.
I also can't tell you why it stops with Anne, Mary's mother, and doesn't go back further.

So... If Jesus was sacrificed to appease god, like a sacrificial animal... like, as far as I understand it, if you kill someone's son, that's not going to appease him. It is the beginning of a feud.
Or, again, should we be thankful to the Romans for sacrificing Jesus, in the way one would be thankful to a priest who performs ritual slaughter of an animal?

I mean... If he was a sacrifice, then it's good he died, no? There hasn't been a great flood since, so maybe we should sacrifice some more?

It’s not really a sacrifice in the truest sense of the word. A true sacrifice incurs loss. My understanding is that sacrifices in ancient Israel meant slaughtering an animal as a means of atoning for sin. Once the animal was dead, it was dead. You wouldn’t sacrifice the animal with any expectation of receiving anything from God. It was all a simple act of obedience.

Jesus’ act of sacrifice was an exchange of life for life. I believe that the Father and the Son are the same, so Jesus was both the sacrifice AND the high priest of the sacrifice. Who functioned to put Jesus to death is irrelevant, the point was everyone wanted Jesus dead but refused to take responsibility for it. It’s Jesus Himself who accepts responsibility, knowing ahead of time that He will rise from the dead, anyway. Therefore, by facing death on the cross and defeating death in His resurrection, the sacrifice is not a sacrifice in the original, ancient sense. It is rather an exchange, like paying a ransom for someone else’s life. If God, who is immortal, can die in the place of sinners, then that means sinners who believe in Jesus’ atoning work and repent of their sin will become immortal.

The idea of more sacrifice is silly. If Jesus’ death and resurrection is the fulfillment of ancient sacrifice, there is no longer a need to continue sacrifices. If you feel your conscience is leading you to make sacrifices, this is what I would do: Go to the grocery store, buy a nice piece of sirloin. Roll it in Montreal steak seasoning. Fire some lump charcoal in a chimney starter. When you have a good fire going, dump the charcoal into your grill. Take the steak, lift it towards heaven, and give thanks to God. Then cook your steak to a medium rare, and enjoy the blessing God has given you. In ancient times, only certain sacrifices were completely burned. Others were meant to feed the priests and Levites. In some instances, the meals were shared between the priests and whoever was giving the offering. In other words, the sacrificial system was just a big barbecue. I mean, sure, there was a legit, theological point to it, but don’t make the mistake of thinking that it was just a waste of a perfectly good animal. These guys knew how to party. I see no reason why people in the present day can’t continue to make “burnt offerings.” Charred animal flesh is yummy.

Yes, I get that you slaughter a sacrificial animal as a sign of atonement for your sin.
But if Jesus sacrificed himself, should I understand it as: "yeah, everyone here needs some atinement, let me handle that and off myself"? - if so... If the Romans hadn't killed him, would he have killed himself? Or did he specifically sacrifice himself for the crime of murder committed against him?
- basically, the sin and its atonement happening in the same instant.
That then would lead to jesus being killed, and that sin being forgiven - so we're back to zero, like Jesus had never been born. ... Which makes the whole story moot....?

No, because Jesus didn’t kill Himself. All He did was offer Himself as a sacrifice.

And there is no “if the Romans hadn’t...” It was always going to happen. And the Romans didn’t execute Him per se. The Jewish religious leaders did it through the Roman establishment as a way of keeping their hands clean, and even Pilate laid the blame on them since he only did it to appease them and avoid another rebellion. Even the “thieves” crucified with Jesus were most likely revolutionaries.

And the whole story is about the redemption of all humanity who acknowledge their need for redemption. It doesn’t really make much sense to non-believers.

What do you mean it was always going to happen? - I'm speculating to figure out how this situation I don't understand works.
I was raised vaguely catholic, I know the story, and I preferred to learn my moral philosophy from Captain Picard instead. Moral philosophy is all about speculation, and then seeing what makes sense in the real world with real humans. So... Jesus didn't kill himself, the Romans did for political reasons, but they really didn't care. Still, they did it.
So... Could Jesus have run? He knew Judas was going to betray him. But he stayed. Why? Because he was offering himself up as a sacrifice? But he wasn't killed as a sacrifice - it wasn't acknowledged by the soldiers, or the jewish leaders, he was the only one who thought of it like that. Also, knowing he was going to return as an immortal... What kind of a sacrifice is that?

Had he been killed by some other way, say, some highway men robber and killed him, without his providence, it would not have been a sacrifice. So the sacrifice is in letting himself get killed, knowingly. If he had known of the highwaymen approaching... Would it still be a sacrifice?