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05 Mar 2022, 7:30 pm

Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson.
Obviously I don’t agree with all his policies, he seems more of a moderate compared to the rest of them.He is well spoken and polite and his staff will return phone calls.
He also cracked down on a nest of violent white supremacists when he was the US Attorney for the western district of Arkansas.The Covenant, the Sword and the Arm of the Lord.(CSA)
There was a big standoff and he put on a flak jacket and personally negotiated a peaceful surrender.No Waco.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asa_Hutchinson


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05 Mar 2022, 7:37 pm

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Not sure, I am a little more concerned with if the democrats can come up with a decent candidate for the next election. I have heard some talk of Hilary but that is a nonsense idea...I think it would have been better if we got her over trump in 2016 but that ship has sailed.

But as for GOP candidates that would be better than trump I haven't really thought about it.


I am not a fan of Hillary. ;)

So are you red, blue or grey?
Just for the record. ;)


I'm more of a democratic socialist but that is not a major party here so... I used to claim to be green party in the past till I realized what kind of hypocrites and conspiracy theorists gravitate to that. Idk if you ever heard of the GMO outcry...so now packages in the U.S lable things as GMO free or having gmo ingredients. The real problem was Monsanto abusing GMO technology to control parts of agriculture...But what came out of that whole 'movement' was 'GMO bad, Organic good' which is nonsense. GMO's are fine and even good just not when a company is abusing that technology. So Monsanto never really got backlash GMO's in general got backlash taking the attention off Monsanto which was the problem not GMO's themselves.

So democratic socialist registered as democrat so I can vote in primaries, though my state may make it so you don't have to be registered as democrat or republican to vote in the primaries in which case I may change my registration to independent.

I was/am not a fan of Hillary either, but still think she would have been better than Trump.


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05 Mar 2022, 8:01 pm

Not sure I know enough about current Republican politicians to make a useful suggestion.... Liz Cheney, maybe? Definitely right-wing, but one of the very few with the guts to call out Trump for stepping over the line.

For the equivalent over here, I find myself wishing for Boris Johnson to be kicked out and replaced by Micheal Gove. Guy may be stuck in the late 18th century, but at least he has some notion of responsibility.


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05 Mar 2022, 8:10 pm

Hutchinson might run, he says Trump is not the future of the Republican Party.
https://www.thv11.com/amp/article/news/ ... 32187d4cb8


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05 Mar 2022, 8:14 pm

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I was/am not a fan of Hillary either, but still think she would have been better than Trump.


Yes, it isn't a case of who is the best representative.
It is who is the least toxic. 8O :wink:



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05 Mar 2022, 8:17 pm

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I was/am not a fan of Hillary either, but still think she would have been better than Trump.


Yes, it isn't a case of who is the best representative.
It is who is the least toxic. 8O :wink:


Perhaps a bit. Though I think Hillary would have been a better representative. Not a great one, but at least better than trump.

Either way I just hope for a real progressive candidate, but seems the best the dems can do is centrist canidates.


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05 Mar 2022, 8:53 pm

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Not my circus, not my monkeys, but ideally the sanest monkey that circus has to offer.


So, you are saying Ammmuuurian politics is not your circus?
OK. 8)


I'm saying conservative politics aren't my circus. Asking me which one is the most preferable is like asking which s**t sandwich looks tastiest.


This is the difference between you and me.
I am non-partisan and see things from a more objective point of view even though I am more an (Australian) conservative than an (Australian) progressive.

NB, I will never vote in a political election ever again in my lifetime, not even for so-called independents.
A pox on all their houses. ;)

A political narrative doesn't rule me.
Truth does. 8)


There's a difference between being opposed to specific ideologies and supporting a party after all. You tend to frame anyone who disagrees from you as approaching things from a less objective perspective than you and this is why you're so ineffective at being persuasive, it always comes off as if only you understood my conclusions better you'd agree with me when fundamentally it's a matter of other people evaluating the facts differently from you, often because they possess more facts than you to evaluate in the first place.

Dismissing disagreements with you as inherently due to partisanship is just one of many reasons why I don't take your perspectives very seriously. Consistently the criticisms you offer boil down to you're dumb and biased and only a galaxy brain like myself can properly understand the nuances of this topic, quite often while deeply underinformed on said topic and only ever referencing News Corp as a source.

It's really just an example of enlightened centrism being a mask for conservatism. :lol:


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05 Mar 2022, 10:55 pm

I will admit, though I wasn't in support of Mitt Romney's run for President at the time, he has since won me over. During Trump's presidency, he has proven time and again to be one of few members of the Republican party with actual integrity. I would be cool with him running again as the Republican candidate, though it seems unlikely given that the party favours more...let's say radical types.



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05 Mar 2022, 11:00 pm

not 'murican,don't know the options.
.But I'd pick Reagan. exhume him, let him run with the same program he had the first time.
He'll look like a leftie next to Biden. That's how far to the economic right the US has moved.


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05 Mar 2022, 11:08 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Not my circus, not my monkeys, but ideally the sanest monkey that circus has to offer.


So, you are saying Ammmuuurian politics is not your circus?
OK. 8)


I'm saying conservative politics aren't my circus. Asking me which one is the most preferable is like asking which s**t sandwich looks tastiest.


This is the difference between you and me.
I am non-partisan and see things from a more objective point of view even though I am more an (Australian) conservative than an (Australian) progressive.

NB, I will never vote in a political election ever again in my lifetime, not even for so-called independents.
A pox on all their houses. ;)

A political narrative doesn't rule me.
Truth does. 8)


There's a difference between being opposed to specific ideologies and supporting a party after all. You tend to frame anyone who disagrees from you as approaching things from a less objective perspective than you and this is why you're so ineffective at being persuasive, it always comes off as if only you understood my conclusions better you'd agree with me when fundamentally it's a matter of other people evaluating the facts differently from you, often because they possess more facts than you to evaluate in the first place.

Dismissing disagreements with you as inherently due to partisanship is just one of many reasons why I don't take your perspectives very seriously. Consistently the criticisms you offer boil down to you're dumb and biased and only a galaxy brain like myself can properly understand the nuances of this topic, quite often while deeply underinformed on said topic and only ever referencing News Corp as a source.

It's really just an example of enlightened centrism being a mask for conservatism. :lol:


But, who would make the better conservative contender?
Trump or Desantis? :scratch:



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05 Mar 2022, 11:11 pm

Tross wrote:
I will admit, though I wasn't in support of Mitt Romney's run for President at the time, he has since won me over. During Trump's presidency, he has proven time and again to be one of few members of the Republican party with actual integrity. I would be cool with him running again as the Republican candidate, though it seems unlikely given that the party favours more...let's say radical types.


I was impressed with Pence giving Trump the finger when Trump wanted him to delay the ratification of the Biden presidency.
I had the impression Pence was horrified by the suggestion. 8)



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05 Mar 2022, 11:12 pm

shlaifu wrote:
not 'murican,don't know the options.
.But I'd pick Reagan. exhume him, let him run with the same program he had the first time.
He'll look like a leftie next to Biden. That's how far to the economic right the US has moved.


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05 Mar 2022, 11:34 pm

there is nobody left in today's GOP that would make me want to vote for them for dog catcher much less anything of any consequence.



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05 Mar 2022, 11:59 pm

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there is nobody left in today's GOP that would make me want to vote for them for dog catcher much less anything of any consequence.


Biden and kackling Harris don't seem to be in the "A" team either. ;)



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06 Mar 2022, 1:14 am

Pepe wrote:
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I will admit, though I wasn't in support of Mitt Romney's run for President at the time, he has since won me over. During Trump's presidency, he has proven time and again to be one of few members of the Republican party with actual integrity. I would be cool with him running again as the Republican candidate, though it seems unlikely given that the party favours more...let's say radical types.


I was impressed with Pence giving Trump the finger when Trump wanted him to delay the ratification of the Biden presidency.
I had the impression Pence was horrified by the suggestion. 8)
I will admit, Pence has surprised me lately. Just recently, he passive-aggressively hinted that Trump would not be a good candidate for re-election so long as he's Putin's lackey. He didn't use those words exactly, or mention Trump directly, but it's clear what he meant.



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06 Mar 2022, 1:46 am

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But, who would make the better conservative contender?
Trump or Desantis? :scratch:


Well, pretty much anyone but Trump simply because of his malicious narcissism. I'd think he was terrible even if he was mostly ideologically agreeable because he'd behave the same way even if his stated political goals were different.


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