Mass Formation (hypnosis)

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Alon Anava is an absolute lunatic and his Judaism doesn't shield him from that: http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2020/ ... inity.html

Sharov is generally more reasonable but on this she's wildly wrong. People aren't "just following authority without considering if they're wrong". People are considering the evidence and about 80% are coming to an intelligent conclusion.

I don't have "Conspiracy theories".
I have speculation and hypothesis.
Being objective and keeping an open mind is essential in the search for the Truth.

There is one constant in the world, however, and that is:
"Power corrupts. Absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely."
Nature of the human beast.

It is amusing to see how Joe Average swallows disinformation so readily.



This is how hypnosis can be abused.



Brainwashing isn't a new invention.

The Oracle of Truth has spoken.

No, but it isn't an "invention" either, but merely made up.
here's documentary filmmaker adam curtis on the history of "brainwashing":
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lp2vGAD-BGw




what you guys are talking about are a mix of mass hysteria, ideology and what the Russians dubbed "hybrid warfare", a form of information warfare in which you don't censor, but rather flood your population with every imaginable nonsense, and its opposite.
The result is that no sensible story can be formed, and no sensible pposition can form around that story.

In a way, BP engaged in this kind of information warfare when they came up with the "carbon footprint", shifting responsibility for co2 emissions away from corporations and economy onto individuals.
Somehow I now have to worry about how much co2 was emmitted for my morning coffee, while BP keeps selling fuel to trucks that transport that coffee - which could be transported by trains as well. But we're not talking about trucks or trains, we're talking about whether I am morally wrong to have coffee at all.

regarding mass hysteria and the vaccine: how do people forget the vaccine programs was started by Trump? how is it a "left-wing" thing? there are almost no left wing, let alone socialist governments on the planet - yet vaccine mandates are discussed in a lot of countries. Most goverments in the western world are liberal capitalist bureaucracies.
Either vaccines are saving someine money, or making someone money - that's how these work.

This is where critical thinking skills, a scientific mindset, and experience come in handly.
This is why "skepticism" is a valuable commodity, and groupthink is not.

Pick your psy-op.

Currently it's not the Russians. Guess who?

I heard a German say Australia is worse than East Germany. They had the same propaganda but they knew not to believe it.

Yuri Bezmenov

This is not left-wing friendly but may in part explain the social upheaval in Ammuuuia.
I haven't watched it entirely.

First: I don't want to touch politics with a ten foot pole on this, I just really don't want to see the core subject matter itself (ie. mass formation) get Q-pigeonholed.

I did happen to watch Desmet discuss mass formation this past fall. If I understand him right it's a Girardian phenomena, ie. a bit like the way scapegoating 'lances' general unease, and in this case enough infantile minds kept alone, left in solitary paranoia then find themselves confronted with some social hard line in the sand they'll not only buckle under force but feel like they've been swept up in a religious revelation. It's a plausible problem, and I can see where looking at places where protests have turn into riots that took on ridiculous religious dimensions you can see some signals of that both in the behavior and the kinds of people involved.

There've been a lot of interesting discussions comparing different models of similar things. BJ Campbell has now popularized 'egregores' in a political sense whereas before you had to be a Hermetic weirdo like me to know what that was, and TBH with social media and people being such passive consumers, receivers, and transmitters the idea that people could be getting entrained by a sort of higher-order conscious mind (made of humans as neurons) isn't all that crazy if you consider something like functionalism with multiple realizability. I've also heard (again - Game B type circles) discussing 'Swarms' and 'Autocults' as similar results but different models.

There is a division that goes beyond normal. Husbands can't convince wives. Parents can't tell children. Children can't convince parents. Friends of decades have stopped communicating. Seems some deeper explanation is required.

The perspective from the groups that I am part of. You might say "anti-vaxxers", really they are just people that believe the media and government is lying to them. (Remember the weapons of mass delusion in Iraq?) I prefer "Hatters". We openly discuss who is resistant to hypnosis. Turns out some had anecdotes about the stage hypnotist sending them back to their chair. Others had failed hypnotherapy.

Then someone asked have we just been duped by the same psy-op but in reverse? That bought some shocked looks! What if we are the brainwashed! This made us ask how can you tell? We felt that being open to new information would be an indication that we are not in some kind of cult. All of us were prepare to sit down for hours and days carefully going over all sources of information given to us. We all found that the pro-vaccine people would shut down conversation in seconds. Words we hate to hear, "I'm entitled to my opinion." Or the more polite "I'll look in to it." (They wont) Sometimes they wave their hands over their ears as if to cut the sound coming in. Sometimes they totally cut off contact with family members.

We notice the strange glassy look in their eyes.

We see the media and government as the hypnotist or cult leader. We see people will not accept any exposure of it being deliberately dishonest. It is really like they immediately defend the "cult leader".

We discuss Larken Rose who produces cult deprogramming resources. He explains we are doing everything wrong.
Larken Rose - Candles in the Dark
Instead of using logic and reason we should just ask questions that act as small lights in a big dark forest. New information just clogs more. Questions can loosen the existing beliefs. If some of it falls it's like a funnel getting unplugged.

I've read every article, every study my vaccine-sceptic friend gave me, only find they had major issues like fewer than ten subjects, or were about a completely different vaccine entirely. She did not read the ones I had given her, about the actual vaccine I have received, with thousands of subjects.
As far as I'm concerned, I have done my homework, I made a conscious decision - and I learned my dear friend doesn't understand the least bit about medical studies, but kept telling me I was stupid for being so trusting.

btw. - cult deprogramming, as Adam curtis explained in his talk, doesn't work and damages people.

So, to just engage with this and not touch the vaccine stuff (again - with or without a ten foot poll):

There are ruts of irrationality that people commonly fall into. There are two general categories of approach I have on this.

1) We're monkeys and, like spruce, squid, or anything else, our primary purpose is to make copies of ourselves. Making copies of ourselves is much more important than caring what's true unless certain aspects of what's true helps us make copies of ourselves, and if lies help us make copies of ourselves (because it's the social flavor of the year, three years, or decade) then people who are cynically successful will buy the latest lie, the latest social climbing scheme like it's the best thing that ever happened, memory-hole it when it goes out of style like it never happened or like they never professed it (I have cousins who are in med school (smart enough that's impossible that they don't know better) and in other places where I'm sure - the moment woke is over - they'll be right on to the next gimmick), and they do it because they're not running on the naively beautiful software platform that secular humanists (especially of the late variety where, at least while I was growing up, almost tasted like secular Scientology) which would assure us that every human being is, by birth, naturally a little Greek philosopher forever seeking truth, meaning, and exalted purpose. We're by and large surrounded by people who will pull whatever lever they need in order to get what they want, they have no philosophy other than pure immediate pragmatism. This is why facts not only don't but can't matter and why tribalism is far more popular than dining a la carte based on just picking what's true.

2) Political and Darwinian game theory sets multipolar traps, of the sort where if the rewards for believing a lie are at minimum being left alone and at maximum a sign of virtue and being a good citizen, and then speaking (per the flavor of the current year, several years, or decade) what would be otherwise completely anodyne truths barely worth repeating because everyone with a room temperature or above IQ should be able to sort it out - during those times - is a sign that you're a 'heretic', that you don't fit in, that you barely have a right to eat or pay bills let alone procreate. Power structures love this because they they can encourage the flavor of these games from the top down, preserve power, and where it really gets ghastly - even keep minorities (racial, sexual, etc.) poor all the while white-knighting like crazy by 'celebrating' them - which costs nothing and then burning an effigy of quite often someone who's quite likely as poor and powerless as they are (these days rural working class whites). With multipolar traps it means that hardly anyone wants to stand up for the person whose speaking truth because it won't pay out well for them, and it just takes a critical mass of noisy, limbic idiots who can't be reasoned with - whom everyone's afraid of because they can make enough of a scene to destroy their reputation - and it just perpetuates from there.


In other words - we're a profoundly twisted species, and it almost seems like integrity itself (what I mean by that is holding mathematical or Platonism-like truths over animal thrift, for example what Sam Harris tries to do with his Moral Landscape) is almost an endeavor that could earn you an autistic spectrum diagnosis because only a 'sperg' would actually care what's true.

For most people I run into - if you ever say almost anything that they haven't heard before, they'll memory-hole it in an instant and forget you ever said it or, if they're less generous, both memory hole it and include it as a black mark against your character - ie. that whatever the heck you're doing you're most likely crazy because you're trying to make sense on your own and... well.... that's what Q Anon sorts do so that makes you Q Anon, and regardless of what physicist you name, what modern even relatively well known philosopher you name, what biologist you name, what the topic is, if you say something they haven't heard of before you've committed something close to a mortal sin.

The only good news seems to be that later generations, like Gen Z, are showing signs that they have one foot in, crypto is pushing out enough in the way of smart contracts that we may have a much more comprehensive set of accounting standards for the variables in our environments (ie. a lot harder to simply externalize costs over boarders or off book and into nature) and it'll be harder for the boomer mentality of just hanging the dork by the crotch of his/her gym shorts on the flag poll for saying things that are true.


All of this makes it all the more difficult to confirm/disconfirm ideas if you're outside consensus because you'll get pigeonholed whether you're right or wrong, and people easily jump to the conclusion that if they're getting pigeon-holed it means their right (which, if they're simply putting a minus sign on consensus odds are they're likely wrong about almost everything because there are very few ways to actually be 'right' that aren't constructed from first principles). Being contrarian-open in a skeptical sense is okay, being contrarian-committed is just a different way of becoming part of the problem.

That makes sense and suggests a biological basis for what I see. I feel there are some people in a distinctly deeper state of compliance. Then there is a compliant group that goes along to get along. I'm sure they have passed on their genetic material.

Reece on mass psychosis Mass formation is the academic term so they tell me.

Lots of vids on rumble. Whats going on

ps Im told Robert Malone is a good guy but uses the incorrect term.

Guardian Adam Curtis
4 BAFTAS
BBC work too. Is that the same BBC that hid Jimmy Saville for 40 years?

The Freemason Demolay control "Everything you see hear and read."
You don't have the same network in the UK?
Would be rather ironic, a perfectionist cult telling everyone there is no brainwashing.
Karen Brewer - Why Prominent Silence

Reliable media sources are anathema to conspiracy theorists -- people like  Ken Adachi ,  Myron Fagan ,  David Icke , and  Jim Keith  are well-known cranks who would not trust commercial media if the headline of the day was "Sky Is Blue and Water Is Wet".

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The Idea of "Mass Formation (Hypnosis)," in Relation
to the Anti-Science of Vaccines and Climate Change
Has Been Thoroughly Debunked By Multiple Sources.

On The Other Hand, "Mass Psychogenic Illness" As That
Relates to the "Nocebo Effect;" And The "Placebo Effect,"

in Terms of Folks in Actual 'Catholic Masses' Who Believe

in the Healing Power of the 'Sugar Pill' of 'Jesus' as A 'Wafer of
Bread the Same,' No Matter How 'Normally Irrational' Folks May

See that 'Belief'; Yes, the Placebo Effect Works For Folks, Like the
Power of Suggestion; Yes, Hypnosis Works to Help Heal Some Folks
With the Power of Their Own Minds; As Yes, Insurance Covers that And

(Some Days, Ya Just Have to Have "Great Hope, Faith, And Belief to Heal")

It Does Help
Folks With
Medical Disorders
With the Power of Belief,
And the Placebo Effect As Well.

Of Course, Science Probably hasn't
likely Studied the Obvious Connection With
The 'Sugar Pill' Of 'Jesus' As That is Somewhat

of A 'Sacred Cow' Still In Our So-called Advanced
Society of the United States. It's Just Frigging Common
Sense; the Authority of the Doctor or Priest 'You' Trust With Belief and Loving Kindness;
Yes, Gives 'You' a 'Sugar Pill' or 'Wafer of Jesus' and You Believe That You Will Get Well;

And Yes That Changes The 'Biological Activity' of Your Whole Being in many Ways
that Science isn't Able to Discretely Measure, Other than You May Recover Faster From Illness...

Not All Folks Are Able to Benefit From 'Sugar Pills'; Not All Folks Are able to Benefit From Hypnosis.

Go Figure, Folks Perceive Their UniVerses Differently, Through Cultural Meaning and Different Biologies...

Guess What: Vaccines Work,
And Climate Change is Real;

Science Provides Enough Evidence
And Consensus of Studies to Prove this is Real.

True, Placebo And Nocebo Effects Work Too As Science Shows too;
That Also Relates Far Beyond Just A Literal 'Sugar Pill' or A 'Voodoo Doll' too.

A Good Example of the Nocebo Effect in Actual 'Masses of Catholic Church' is the

Majority Nocebo Belief That Folks Who Are Naughty Suffer in Hell Eternally By A God
Who Is All Loving, Merciful, And Forgiving; And Additionally, Those Folks Are Told They

Are Unworthy

Every Week as
They Repeat That
Belief; They Aren't Always

Happy and Well Adjusted Folks;

Although, There is that 'Sugar Pill' That
'Wafer of Jesus' That is the Only Reason
Some Folks Attend Catholic Church; True That is a 'Carrot,'
A Placebo Effect That Actually Works; And True, the So-called
Devil And Hell And Subjugating 'You' Into Unworthiness is the Common Stick

or
Nocebo
Effect; i've been
Studying This for Practically
A Lifetime Now as a Free Lance
Anthropology Participant Observer;
And Now a Longest Epic
Long Form Free Verse

Poet too; Fascinating

It is, And as Close to
'White And Black Magic'

As Science Provides Evidence,
in General, Through the Placebo
And Nocebo Effect Is Real; Folks Bond

And Bind Over Common Symbols And Ideologies to Control

Group Behavior And Enhance Outcomes For Survival As Well too....

At Core That is 'Religion'; And Some Folks Bond Over Conspiracy Theories
Similarly That Are False too; And Often Propagated in Religious Institutions too;

And Are Very

Dangerous

to Human Health And Well Being As Well...

Be Careful What 'You' Believe in; That Counts.

Not All Folks are as Susceptible to the Placebo And Nocebo Effect;

Yet Others Surely Are; And They Reap the Benefits And Destruction of Health And Well Being too...

Other than That in Regard to Group Think and Feelings in Bonding and Binding Over Common
Symbols and Ideologies; We Are Social Animals And Religion and Meaning in this Basic Definition

Of Religion is Still
Core to Our Survival
And Potential Destruction,

Depending on the Quality

of the 'Religious Beliefs' We Hold;

('Stories' We Commonly BeLieVE iN that
We Bring to Fruition of Life, True or False)

Whether We Bond Over Science or 'Bull Crap'...

Fortunately, About 80 Percent of Folks Believe in the
Science of Covid-19 Vaccines as Close to 1 MiLLioN Folks Including
A lot of Disbelievers in the Science of Vaccines are Dead, Dead, DEAD FOR REAL

AND STILL DYING;

YES, BULL CRAP IS
DANGEROuS IN DEED;

JUST ANOTHER NOCEBO PILL OF DEATH.

DON'T SWALLOW THAT PILL (LIE); IT CAN AND WILL BE DEADLY.

And For Folks Who Believe The After Life is Greater than
The Before Death; Wow, Ultimate Nocebo Effect not to Reach Human Potentials Now.

And Additionally, Not Unlike All the 'Trump Crap;' That is A Much Bigger Lie than Who

Lost an Election...

Yet, It is
Also a
Sacred Cow
(Hell) That Around
60 Percent of the United

States Still BelieveS iN...

And A Huge Part in the Equation

of Whether or Not the Human Species
Will Continue to Survive, Until Folks Value

This Life Now Presently

More than

the
'After
Death Pills'
of 'Church' Still
Holding Hands With 'State' Now...

Oh 'Jesus F in Christ', Only if 'They'
Will Find Their 'Sugar Pills' Within...

Hey, 'They' Can Justify it with Parts
of Their 'Good Book' Too For Real...

And It's True, Similarly, iF They Believe
in It, They Will Find a (Yuck) "Voodoo Doll" Within too...

And Yes, of Course, Share IT With Each Other As 'Darker Religion' too...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness

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Just to check in with you, are you familiar at all with Yuri Dagan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwzfnZfo-rU

The problems with vaccine and lockdown policy are much more difficult than whether everyone should get 20 jabs or whether it's destroying women's reproductive tracts and causing 'bloody miscarriages'.

On one hand we have a very real novel virus where the vaccines at a minimum reduce spread and lower the curve, while at the same time we've had rather bizarre politics over lockdowns and masks where it seems like temperaments have run everything. On one hand while the stronger variants were going around you didn't want to catch it for the sake of the health of older loved ones, then Omicron boosted heard immunity significantly, and now there's all kinds of stuff up in the air whether it's Pfizer trying to wring more $$ out of it, whether it's people who already 'safteyists' who'd want to lockdowns to go on forever because it's what they would have wanted even before the pandemic, you also have the issue of childhood education getting all messed up and the effects that'll have on the economy in 20 years and probably the most grim side effect to the ways in which we reacted is famine in the developing world as supply chains shut down and increased food insecurity (made even better by what's happening in the Ukraine and where boycotts on Russian natural gas - which have to happen now - are also going to mean less ammonia for fertilizer, meaning more crop problems).

I feel bad for having given Malone and Kirsch the time of day, admittedly Bret Weinstein brought them on and I've been listening to Bret and Heather a lot less since it happened. My biggest problem with knee-jerk contrarianism or MSM vs. 4chan/8chan is that it buries the real issues and harms which are much more mundane, grim, less sexy, and there's tons of them.

Not familiar. He sounds logical. However statistics and data does not address the possibility of living in a crime scene: "motive, means and opportunity". "Mass Formation" is part of the means.
Pyramid, All seeing eye, Pyramid with all seeing eye, Obelisk - Coincidence? Anyone on youtube that can talk about covid without getting strikes is probably part of the club. This is why I prefer to look for the "Hound of the Baskervilles" clue (They didn't bark). What's not there. A biochemist I met in our activist group, (worked in the testing area and mandated out of their job) asked "Why don't the vaccinated get tested for an immune response? Some people have none. No point putting them on a series of boosters, 10 or more."

There is a story of a barrister winning a defamation case, the plaintiff was not present and had avoided testifying. His summation asked the jury "Why is Mr x NOT HERE.". As he spoke he stomped his foot and turned to the back of the court as if to look. The jury and everyone turned and looked. Yep, he wasnt there.