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13 Aug 2007, 1:26 am

The_Chosen_One wrote:
And apparently hoping that a decent politician will come along is bordering on insanity.


What about thinking Kevin Rudd is one? :lol:


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13 Aug 2007, 1:48 am

Compared to John Howard.... Depends on where you sit, I guess. I s'pose I'd like to think he is.


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13 Aug 2007, 1:52 am

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Compared to John Howard.... Depends on where you sit, I guess. I s'pose I'd like to think he is.


I'm mildly left-wing. But I'm cynical enough to know the main failing of socialism and communism.


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13 Aug 2007, 5:39 am

Insane? No, at least 40% of the human population are ill-educated, ignorant, or stupid, though it is mistaken for insanity.


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14 Aug 2007, 5:12 pm

READ MY GODDAMN POST I PUT THE DEFINITON IN THERE!



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14 Aug 2007, 5:26 pm

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How do we define insanity? In order to define it we must have a notion of how the mind should work and compare it to how it is working. Because of that, we can define insanity in any number of self-serving ways if we simply call a behavior to be deviance.

Now, the argument here is that religion is insane because it is crazy to trust something you cannot see and put faith in an external force. The latter is most assuredly done all of the time though, as most forces are external and people rely on them in order to move water, adjust heat, or even holding people as external forces we can claim that all of our reality is held together by external forces. Not only that but I would think that the real problem is one of absolute knowledge, which most people lack. The strongly religious will often uphold the validity of past miracles and thus claim that based upon the past they are justified for the future, as such they claim that their faith is rational rather than irrational, and more along the lines of thinking that a book with the title "Harry Potter" truly is a "Harry Potter" book. The difficulty then is debunking their claims of historicism and the scholars that they employ to strengthen their base.

A lack of control over one's thoughts? I think that modern determinists would claim that there is no free will involved in that. As well, all people are driven by some objective anyway, some philosophical aim that cannot be quantified, measured, proven or disproven.

I think that we are all insane.


Determinists are p*****s, and OF COURSE THEY WOULD SAY THAT, they are determinists afterall! The only ways we are determined is by our biology, we are determined to die, determined to live amongst other people, determined in a particular historical setting etc... we are still free. Free to think for ourselves, free to form our own opinions. Free to create to destroy. Free to laugh, to cry, to smile, to run, to walk.... Free to choose to kill someone to not kill someone, to live in the woods or to achieve a high paying job. You just have to achieve this state of personal freedom. We're free to create ourselves in relation to our objective given nature.

I agree we're all a little insane; hence the idea of humanity slowly progressing out of insanity.

I think the media is a good example. Look at how Bush manipulated 75% of the American population. It is because he induced insanity via fear so they would believe in anything.



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15 Aug 2007, 6:34 pm

Aradford wrote:
Determinists are p*****s, and OF COURSE THEY WOULD SAY THAT, they are determinists afterall! The only ways we are determined is by our biology, we are determined to die, determined to live amongst other people, determined in a particular historical setting etc... we are still free. Free to think for ourselves, free to form our own opinions. Free to create to destroy. Free to laugh, to cry, to smile, to run, to walk.... Free to choose to kill someone to not kill someone, to live in the woods or to achieve a high paying job. You just have to achieve this state of personal freedom. We're free to create ourselves in relation to our objective given nature.
I wouldn't consider determinists to be p*****s. Not only that but how do we know that those actions are free rather than paths along a predetermined path? Really though, even if we choose the path, who is to say that one path is crazier than another?
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I agree we're all a little insane; hence the idea of humanity slowly progressing out of insanity.
But you haven't proved that what you believe is insane is what properly should be considered insane. I think that all people no matter where they stand are very insane, and thus your statement goes against mine. I think we are incurably insane.
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I think the media is a good example. Look at how Bush manipulated 75% of the American population. It is because he induced insanity via fear so they would believe in anything.

I don't think so. I think insanity is your excuse in order to attack those you disagree with. The fact of the matter is that all politicians manipulate but that is hardly a matter of insanity as these insanities can and have impacted almost all human beings.



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15 Aug 2007, 6:41 pm

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Did you know humanity is insane?


Ya, thanks, I had noticed.

Scarcely a day goes by when this isn't proven.


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15 Aug 2007, 6:57 pm

If you were born a long time ago, Araford, you would have likely believed in God. Would that make you insane? After all, that hypothetical you was only believing the only real explanation available for humans, life, the universe and everything for the time. The thought of evolution hadn't occurred to anyone since the late 18th century. Why it didn't isn't obvious. Probably had to do with technology. Everything looks intelligently designed, so everything that looks complicated must have a designer as well.

So given what we didn't know at that time, I wouldn't say it was so unreasonable for one to believe in an intelligent designer. However, the perceived necessity for a designer does not, albeit, mean that your god is the intelligent designer. Doesn't make you insane.

I think you have a small problem with words. In this thread you say the people who believed in god were "insane." Not true. I think you're being hyperbolic. But insane is the wrong word. In another thread you said that everyone has a "mental illness," or something to that effect. Again, I think you were just being hyperbolic and don't think you're talking about real mental illness. I think all you were trying to say is that everybody has issues. Everybody has problems. Obviously everybody has problems. However, having personal problems does not in any way equate to mental illness. Again, I doubt that's what you really meant. You were just using awkward language to get your message across more emphatically, or more colorfully. But remember you're talking to aspies. :) We take things literally. Hence you have all these people asking you, "What do you mean by insane?"

I'm just going to throw out there and say that you don't really mean insane. You're just writing hyperbolically. Insane is a completely different thing from what you're talking about. Most theists aren't insane. Sure, they have weird beliefs, especially in terms of what the world now knows about the universe. But insane they're not. I'd recommend being more careful with your words, especially considering you're talking on an aspie forum.



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18 Aug 2007, 2:49 am

This topic makes me think of Wonko the Sane Outside the Asylum. Such a lovely old man...
"Crazy" is a subjective evaluation, like most things.
But, yeah, I can agree the world - and stuff in it - fails to make much sense. :)


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18 Aug 2007, 12:09 pm

Aradford wrote:
Think about it, it started with religion, which is clearly insane and motivated by serious issues that causes serious anxieties. Isn't it insane to put faith in something you can't see, even to put faith into an external force rather than yourself to get something done is pretty crazy. I mean people need to work together, but creating some fictional figure that will "cure" our problems with "miracles" just shows how humanity has progressively been moving out of insanity. Religion has lost the influence it once had and I see this as a sign.

I have studied the philosopical thought of the western world from the earliest writings to the recent developments and it wasn't until 1960's that humanity finally realized that we can shape ourselves and that God isn't real (lets leave the middleeast out of this they are even more insane).

Studying philosophy has really showed me how insane humanity once was, not to say humanity still isn't insane.

What I mean by insane? The precepts of insanity are lack of control of ones owns thoughts. For centuries people were guided by GOD, so insane.

Now we see the same thing with psychiatry. In 50 years it will go bankrupt on itself and people will have to rely on themselves and their peers to understand themselves.

Anyone agree? Humanity is evolving out of insanity?


Old religions are slowly dying, but are fighting to dominate to stay in power, this including warring against one another. New religions are being born, and new pseudo-religions. Pseudo religions are hardline atheists who use science as a crutch for ignorance, "politically correct" liberalism, people in general are still very much insane, theyr just using new ideologies to guide their thoughts. It's not too different than when paganism began to die off and Christianity became the new religion.
The best way to see the objective truth behind things is by doing what most people hate doing because they'r too lazy minded, which is breaking things down and analyzing them. If anything, man is now starting to back track and fall back into the dark ages.



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20 Aug 2007, 9:54 am

Ragtime wrote:
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Did you know humanity is insane?


Ya, thanks, I had noticed.

Scarcely a day goes by when this isn't proven.
And this has been the case ever since recorded history began.


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20 Aug 2007, 4:50 pm

insane: to have the mind deeply vested in a self deception which controls the thought and behaviour of the individual to the extent of determinism, this self deception could be self created or it could be a deception the individual could have been thrown into

it's not an excuse, nor an attack but simple a philosophical stance in favour of freewill