The HORRIFIC Torture Of The Women Of The Battle Of Berlin

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You also missed the first line in my original post.
"Interesting."

https://www.wearethemighty.com/popular/ ... many-wwii/


https://codoh.com/library/document/star ... war-ii/en/





https://www.karlkoerber.com/post/dresde ... ry-14-1945


Eisenhauser's Death Camps:






https://live.christianity.expert/death-camps

I was talking about WWII. You said the Russians are carrying on a "tradition" against Ukrainian civilians.

It seems the Ukrainians are much the same
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds- ... laborator/
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/uk ... aborators/

Russia has never had a democratic government apart from several years after WWI. Whatever it's inclination, every government in Russia maintains authoritarian control over it's people so it's hardly a shock they don't admit to crimes against civilians.

How did I “miss the first line?”

I acknowledged the suffering endured by German civilians. They didn’t deserve what happened to them.

I was talking about “genocide being genocide,” no matter if it’s, say, 10 million killed versus 30 million killed.

What am I an “apologist” for?

If you believe I’m an “apologist,” then YOUR logic is deeply flawed.

I'm sorry, I didnt mean to make you think I was calling you an apologist for Communism. I was just referring to the apologists of communism in general and how much it bothers me. I knew it was something you'd agree with but i guess i didnt word my response right? So i apologize.

There is nothing to apologise for, you are being manipulated.

One single German run concentration camp (and remember there 1000 camps across German occupied territories) involved the torture and murder of more civilians than the entire German population in WWII

t's disturbing to think that no matter how dark our imagination may be of the atrocities of Russian soldiers, it will never come even remotely close to how bad it actually was under the Germans and Ukrainians in WWII

I didn't know I was being manipulated...

Well anyways, yes there is no doubt in my mind that what the Nazis did during World War 2 was atrocious. But most Communist countries aren't much better. It just feels to me like the world is more forgiving of communists for some bizarre reason.

And for the record, I also see lately that capitalism has also been pretty terrible for many reasons...

Maybe it's just humans that are terrible?

As for me, I'm not "manipulating" anybody.

The Nazis killed millions of people; so did the Soviet throughout World War II.

The Soviets did a more extreme version of "Sherman's March To the Sea" upon the German people at the end of World War II.

In a purely numerical sense, obviously, the effect upon the German populace wasn't as massive as what the Nazis and Soviets did within World War II----but, to one who was intimately involved in the situation, the effect is just as massive.

All of this must be prevented. Right now, Putin's regime does seem like they're going on a similar path as the Nazis and the Soviets. We just can't have this sort of thing. This must be stopped. Screw Putin's nationalistic claims.

I agree with you 100% about Putin, and I wish people would stand up to Xi Jinping on that same problem but unfortunately it feels as though China has most of the world on a tight leash.

If China starts invading other countries, and claiming sovereignty over them because of the idea of a "Greater China," then they'll receive the same response as Russia is receiving now.

To be honest I'm not so sure about that. I mean what they are doing to the Uyghurs in Xinjiang is atrocious enough yet the entire world deliberately turned a blind eye to it and pretended like it never happened. Mocking anybody who tried to bring attention to the issue and even going as far as to claim any Westerner who criticizes the CCP is a racist spewing anti-Asian hate. People are either afraid to make China mad or they're actually being pro-China mostly because of our ignorant greed getting the better of us.

I agree with you about the Uyghurs, by the way.

This is a news story from 1 January 2022, shortly before the current invasion, about a rally being held by a group called "Right Sector" -- not "the Ukrainians" in general.

The rally honored Stepan Bandera, who was a Nazi collaborator. According to the above-linked news story, "Bandera’s supporters claim that they sided with the Nazis against the Soviet army in the belief that Adolf Hitler would grant independence to Ukraine."

In short, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, similarly to how the Western Allies sided with Josef Stalin during WW II.

Yes and Stalin sided with Hitler (for a while) via the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. So I don't disagree with the OP that the Soviets under Stalin were also culpable for a lot of crimes themselves in both Poland and Germany. I accept that.

However, I am acutely aware of a far right tactic to put a magnifying glass on what happened to German civilians in the Wermacht in the aftermath of the war as a way of covertly justifying their past excesses (which are incomparable to any other act of genocide in the history of the world) are now squared.

Germany has (to some extent) done more to accept their culpability for starting two world wars compared to the Japanese or the Soviets. But!....Trying to paint Stalin's invasion of Nazi Germany and comparing it to Putin's invasion of Ukraine is a non-sequitur. Stalin was part of an alliance with the western allies to neutralise the Nazis and save millions of prisoners of war including Soviets and allies who were being kept in subhuman conditions at the time.

Stalin might have been evil but he was a necessary evil as his role in both the western front in liberating Germany and in the eastern front against the Japanese imperial forces probably saved millions of lives for the allies.