18 Feb 2023, 11:43 pm
Dengashinobi wrote:
Nietzsche' s philosophy, like any philosopher's of the continental tradition, is largelly a mumble jumble of inconsistent thought patterns expressed in a poetical way. I know one thing, if you have read Nietzsche and claim you understand anything, you are lying mistaken.
Fixed it for you.
19 Feb 2023, 3:10 pm
19 Feb 2023, 3:50 pm
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19 Feb 2023, 8:52 pm
19 Feb 2023, 8:54 pm
Trueno wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
Nietzsche' s philosophy, like any philosopher's of the continental tradition, is largelly a mumble jumble of inconsistent thought patterns expressed in a poetical way. I know one thing, if you have read Nietzsche and claim you understand anything, you are lying.
I totally agree, but he’s still easier to read than Kirkegaarde… just my opinion.
19 Feb 2023, 8:58 pm
19 Feb 2023, 9:01 pm
PenPen wrote:
I view Nietzscheanism as a failed attempt to instill meaning in a meaningless world. He replaces Schopenhauer's "Will to Live" with "Will to Power" - the objective of life transforms from rejecting life to maintain happiness to rejecting happiness to maintain life, even if it is baseless and harms others. This inspires a crass egoism that can justify any destructive ideology, including National Socialism, Randian libertarianism, and left-wing deconstruction. His views on truth, accurate in an absolute sense, are a prologue to postmodernist madness. Once you're willing to let go of all presumptions about the world and ego, I find Schopenhauer to be the better atheistic philosopher.
So, what parts of his philosophy were perverted by his sister and the NAZIS, I wonder.
19 Feb 2023, 9:04 pm
ToughDiamond wrote:
Cragg testily replies “more chance than a man. A woman, young, beautiful, like you, can get anything she wants in the world. Because you have power over men! But you must use men! Not let them use you. You must be a master! Not a slave. Look, here, Nietzsche says, ‘All life, no matter how we idealize it, is nothing more nor less than exploitation.’ That's what I'm telling you! Exploit yourself! Go to some big city where you will find opportunities. Use men! Be strong! Defiant! Use men to get the things you want!”
Sounds horrible to me, even it it was correct that life was "nothing more nor less than exploitation." And I don't think it is. You've only got to lay off the exploitation for a minute and you've put a hole in that particular sweeping assertion. I think when a person completely swallows the idea that life is a competitive jungle and that their role is to rip off or to be ripped off, they become part of the problem.
Sounds horrible to me, even it it was correct that life was "nothing more nor less than exploitation." And I don't think it is. You've only got to lay off the exploitation for a minute and you've put a hole in that particular sweeping assertion. I think when a person completely swallows the idea that life is a competitive jungle and that their role is to rip off or to be ripped off, they become part of the problem.
You forget:
The foundation of all societies is built on the platform of corruption.
19 Feb 2023, 9:05 pm
Silence23 wrote:
Nietzsche is pretty based. Though I only read one of his books ("Thus Spoke Zarathustra") and don't know anything else from him. I particularly like Zarathustras harsh criticism of the state and religion, and that he proposes the creation of new values and for humans to become more advanced.
So did the NAZIS.
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19 Feb 2023, 10:34 pm
Pepe wrote:
Silence23 wrote:
Nietzsche is pretty based. Though I only read one of his books ("Thus Spoke Zarathustra") and don't know anything else from him. I particularly like Zarathustras harsh criticism of the state and religion, and that he proposes the creation of new values and for humans to become more advanced.
So did the NAZIS.
Wanting to advance humanity is not a sin. The idea of an advanced race or society of human beings is the whole point of higher education.
The interesting thing about the Nazis is that while what they were doing was wrong, there’s not a country in the world who would have ever stood in their way. You have to wonder if Hitler would have succeeded in achieving a 1000 year Reich if he hadn’t screwed up foreign policy so badly.
19 Feb 2023, 10:38 pm
20 Feb 2023, 1:25 am
Pepe wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
Cragg testily replies “more chance than a man. A woman, young, beautiful, like you, can get anything she wants in the world. Because you have power over men! But you must use men! Not let them use you. You must be a master! Not a slave. Look, here, Nietzsche says, ‘All life, no matter how we idealize it, is nothing more nor less than exploitation.’ That's what I'm telling you! Exploit yourself! Go to some big city where you will find opportunities. Use men! Be strong! Defiant! Use men to get the things you want!”
Sounds horrible to me, even it it was correct that life was "nothing more nor less than exploitation." And I don't think it is. You've only got to lay off the exploitation for a minute and you've put a hole in that particular sweeping assertion. I think when a person completely swallows the idea that life is a competitive jungle and that their role is to rip off or to be ripped off, they become part of the problem.
Sounds horrible to me, even it it was correct that life was "nothing more nor less than exploitation." And I don't think it is. You've only got to lay off the exploitation for a minute and you've put a hole in that particular sweeping assertion. I think when a person completely swallows the idea that life is a competitive jungle and that their role is to rip off or to be ripped off, they become part of the problem.
You forget:
The foundation of all societies is built on the platform of corruption.
Sez you. I'm well aware there's a lot of people who are as bent as the proverbial nine-bob note. Doesn't mean I have to become one of them.
20 Feb 2023, 1:54 am
ToughDiamond wrote:
Pepe wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
Cragg testily replies “more chance than a man. A woman, young, beautiful, like you, can get anything she wants in the world. Because you have power over men! But you must use men! Not let them use you. You must be a master! Not a slave. Look, here, Nietzsche says, ‘All life, no matter how we idealize it, is nothing more nor less than exploitation.’ That's what I'm telling you! Exploit yourself! Go to some big city where you will find opportunities. Use men! Be strong! Defiant! Use men to get the things you want!”
Sounds horrible to me, even it it was correct that life was "nothing more nor less than exploitation." And I don't think it is. You've only got to lay off the exploitation for a minute and you've put a hole in that particular sweeping assertion. I think when a person completely swallows the idea that life is a competitive jungle and that their role is to rip off or to be ripped off, they become part of the problem.
Sounds horrible to me, even it it was correct that life was "nothing more nor less than exploitation." And I don't think it is. You've only got to lay off the exploitation for a minute and you've put a hole in that particular sweeping assertion. I think when a person completely swallows the idea that life is a competitive jungle and that their role is to rip off or to be ripped off, they become part of the problem.
You forget:
The foundation of all societies is built on the platform of corruption.
Sez you. I'm well aware there's a lot of people who are as bent as the proverbial nine-bob note. Doesn't mean I have to become one of them.
You do know that there is indeed a dark "underground" power group covertly controlling "social evolution", right?
I don't intend to elaborate, here.
It has NEVER been fruitful in the past.
Perhaps in another thread.
20 Feb 2023, 2:43 am
20 Feb 2023, 12:04 pm
Pepe wrote:
You do know that there is indeed a dark "underground" power group covertly controlling "social evolution", right?
No, and I doubt you do either.
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I don't intend to elaborate, here.
It has NEVER been fruitful in the past.
Perhaps in another thread.
It has NEVER been fruitful in the past.
Perhaps in another thread.
Good luck with that.
20 Feb 2023, 2:03 pm
