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Bit of a misconception there. While I most certianly can not tell any one the percentage of what you speak of that is true, I can say with a certainty this isn't always the case. Rather familar with both sides of this. Let's just say it's a bit of family insight. Through this insight I know about some things that you might only catch in the papers and then I can tell you , you didn't get the whole picture. Having said I'm familar with both sides, let's switch to the other side, yup, have a step daughter married to an illeagal Canadian. In the other case a daughter married to an illeagal Mexican. Personaly I detest the use of the word illeagl, but I suppose you need labels to talk about this at all. In neither of the cases were they ever in danger of starving to death, just looking for a better life. Ask me to pick between the two of them, well, it isn't a hard choice for me, one's a drinker the other is not, one's a leach the other is not. But that isn't a matter of national origin. Care to guess which one I would pick if I had to choose? Makes me sick to see him get screwed over by employers and they know they can do it and get away with it. Low wages? That's just the tip of the ice burg, would be nice if they even got the wages that were advertised. Pay his bills? yes, Pay taxes? yes The other one? no and no. Sharp guy, understatement, he should be in a college someplace and not out painting when he can find it. Pro minor league soccer player till he broke his knees in a car accident and that little sport is not easy to break into where he comes from. A real pleasure to talk about most anything you can think of, one hell of a nice human being and he's treated like s**t here. Am I happy and think he's correct in the way he's doing it, no and he knows it. But I'll never turn him in either. If they catch him, I'll do all I can to get him back, even have tried to help get it leagal, talk about a mess, you just have no idea the bungling on this side. yeah a lot of work needs to be done, this just can't be swept under the rug. A fence has never stopped a migration, ever.

I think some common sense has to come into play. I bow to others on this site with their knowledge of economics. I still believe a workable common sense appraoch to this could work. I don't have the answers, but it is an issue that needs to be addressed in a fair way. No fence in the world ever going to stop it. It's in our face like it or not.

If I were faced with the description you descibe and make no mistake that is very very true, I would be on my way here in a hot damn second. I have seen that poverty with my own eyes, it is something you never ever forget, nor should you. While economics is important, we're still talking about human beings.

Really? That's weird. Here in my town (Eugene, OR), almost all of the spoiled rich kids work (my side of town is the most affluent). Most of our jobs require "2 years or more experience" or some kind of degree. Finding an entry-level job here is like trying to play Halo with one arm....it's very difficult. I've been trying for a year to find another job to no avail. There are 3 businesses I know of that are blatantly sexist against men that are big employers of people 16-19. People are moving here, but not many new businesses are popping up. The last thing we need are immigrants. If we had a few less immigrants, I'm guessing a few more of us American-born 18-year-olds desperate for a job would actually have one. Sure, it'd be at Taco Bell or Mickey D's, but it's a job nonetheless.

One of the biggest problems I have with illegal immigrants is that they destroy labor competition by working below minimum wage (another law broken besides coming here illegally). They also makes it harder for poor college kids like me to find work. I have enough competition from other students.....immigrants just make it worse.

A lot of them also refuse to learn English, which pisses me off. It's the reason I refuse to take Spanish. We're an English-speaking country, and it's an insulting slap to the face when you come here and expect us to accomodate you. We'd also better not make Spanish an official language, or else that'll just cause social strife (look at Canada and Belgium). We're also having to spend money on "ESL" programs, which is a drain of our already strained education funds.

The opposite is more likely. The jobs would be priced out of the market or destroyed by the Fed with interest rate hikes.

Maybe you do not understand some simple business realties of alot of immigrant jobs. A farmer can spend alot money per acre
on herbicides or he can potential spend a lot less using immigrants to hoe the fields(certified organic to ) A farmer could buy expensive capital equipment that could do the jobs of many immigrants to. In both cases there would be net job loss and food prices would likely be higher. You might have a snowballs chance at one of the few union jobs that made the chemicals or equipment. But I'm fairly certain China will be picking up increased demand
in those areas since those things can be outsourced.

Wow, I'm sorry that your job outlook is so bad. I'm not exaggerating when I say we have Help Wanted signs all over the place here!

I agree with the quoted text above. I refuse to learn Spanish myself. I hear lots of foreign languages say, in the grocery store, but when it comes time to check out, most foreign-born americans speak english at least well enough to get by. Not so the Mexicans here, for the most part. I wonder why.

I must say I have nothing against Mexican people, however. I cannot imagine what it is like to be someone else, somewhere else, wanting to get out of terrible circumstances.

Yeah, it is a problem that theyr hungry, I'm not denying that, and I do feel for their situation. But if we just let people run wild over our border, how will we regulate how many people we've got? How will we find the resources to support them? Borders exist for a reason, the answer isn't ignoring this and letting them cripple our economy.
As I also stated, when we have no clue who are entering our borders, we often let criminals in as well. MS13 are coming in mass migrations over the border and abducting women and selling them into slavery and prostitution at an alarming rate, we're letting them do this pretty much because according to the ret*d liberals "we're racist if we object".
All nations have immigration laws, it's not just America. Those laws exist for a reason, and without them being protected, no nation's economy can survive. A nation only has the resources to support so many people, and when hundreds of thousands on unknowns are living in our country there is no way we can regulate them. Technically as far as the government is concerned, they don't exist because there is no record of them existing.
It's not a race issue at all, it's looking out for our ***OWN*** best interests before others. It's a financial, economic, and national security concern. For what it's worth, I am equally against illegal european and asian immigrants.

All citizens should have to pay the same taxes, while I myself am against federal tax of any american, I do believe in state tax.

What race am I referring to then? Obviously it's the people on the other side of the southern United States border, since they're the only ones coming in, or at least they are the majority of illegal immigrants. Why isn't it that Canadians also jump the border and look for work in the US? Maybe there's something right with Canada that isn't with the countries formerly trampled by Spain. I suppose it could be a race issue too, but in their country of origin. How many white guys or genealogical Spaniards do you see jumping the border? Couldn't it be the natives are the ones that are discriminated against in their own countries, and that is one reason why they come. In England there used to be signs on workplaces that said, "If you're Irish, don't bother asking to work here." One of the reasons my ancestors came to America anyway. But really, if survival is the issue and it's better here, why don't they come to stay?

As a note, the Church I go to is Agua Viva, a bilingual Church which has mostly Latinos in it. They are legal immigrants and they are US Citizens, not people who plan to come for the money and leave, but stay and share in our hardships.

You should look for more information about illegal immigrants and what are the causes of it, before jumping on them, and accusing them of "stealing the economy".

i dont care. this planet is fucke-d anyways

They're not the only problem with the economy, your right. Other problem are overspending, robotics and automation cutting people out of their jobs, the fact we're overdependent on gasoline and we needlessly waste energy, etcetera. But illegal immigration is an economic problem as well as a security problem; if we can't stop people from getting in our country, which as a nation we should have the right to say, "show us your passports, why are you here and for how long?" then how the heck is it suppose to function properly. I don't think we should be like East Berlin, but we shouldn't let everyone who wants to trespass to get away with it, even if their interests are benign.





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Slightly off topic here, but I think if it's done right, we could benefit well from allowing robots to do our work for us. But it has to be handled right from an economical standpoint. I say this because the poor-middle class american is a wage slave, programmed to be too apathetic and careless to give a s**t about the real issues because of the stress and constant movement of their daily routines and joe jobs.

Much of the US used to be Mexico.

Not anymore and the US should have the right to secure borders, as should any other nation.

its one of the causes. In the 70's the increase in oil prices was a supply side shock that increased inflation and unemployment. It all comes down to supply and demand.

What gets me about our government is it has policies seem to me to be detrimental to its own citizens while advantaging non citizens. Politicians are elected to represent the citizens and to govern for the benefit of its citizens, not for other countries' citizens.

IMO multinational companies want lower labour costs to increase profits, and that's what its all about.

btw iamnotaparakeet - you are a budgie (budgerigar - native of Australia).

Well its consumers wanting low prices to. The market place has done this not government action/inaction. The market wants the low cost labour input. The market gets what it wants usually. Thats why there is no unempolyment for drug dealers, hookers and bookies either.

Much of the US used to be the UK too. Let's give it back to them. Oh, and a lot used to be France too. Let's sell it back to them. And Alaska used to be Russia, let's sell that back too. And India? that used to be the UK, give it back to them.
Hopefully you see my point by now