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I would never say that anyone 'does not belong here'.

I do not rule anything out, and get stuck in to debates - I show people how I feel and what I think, I open myself to attack, and my views have been changed by being here - even by you and Johnny but perhaps you don't realise that.

You ... well we know you are just going to quote the bible, I mean what value is that ? There is barely a person responding when you post, it's another excerpt of someone else's book - you don't know what being open is because it's just another quote, Matthew 1-27, John this to that. When are you going to arrive - where is your 'book' ?

It is the self-satisfied stare of your avatar that make you look like a person who by-passes his own mind - too painful maybe ? I guess a lot of people hide from the pain of reality.

I only have a frown and question, there are questions and more questions. There is nothing concrete.

I'm agnostic.


are muslims included in the list?

I believe Kilroy made an excellent point about one of the reasons, isn't that understandable?

Agreed, the request is perfectly fine but the wording isn't. It's implying the thread starter has moderators rights. I personally have no issue with the general idea of the thread. Just the way the request is worded.

And before you say anything apatheism is an extreme form of agnosticism. (Which is an oxymoron and damn weird one)

No one truly believes that? how about atheists?

I know there is evidence about some aspects from the Bible, some historical events, and the existence of a man named Jesus (Yeshua), but other than that, there are things that seems that were added or prepared in a way that would serve to control people and that kind of thing. There are things that are not too clear for me, I know there are no real evidence about miracles and stuff apart from writings and legends.

I know a lot of things from religions is about faith, those things you cannot physically proof (getting a solid evidence) and scientific explanations YET, you have no other than believe stuff with faith.

There are some things from the Bible and stuff said that made me have doubts, reasons and trying to analize things from a modern perspective, doesn't seems too right now, I suppose I would be convinced of all these stuff if I would have born 100 years ago.

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Isn't apatheist someone who just doesn't care about it? something like this "why questioning if God exists or not, who cares?" lol
I thought richardbenson was apatheist (kidding)

Based on that, I could say that babies are apatheists and also animals, not sure if that's correct though.

I think so. It's also sometimes called low end agnosticism. Just a matter of wording.

All I hear is people making excuses for why they can disregard the intention of this thread and disrespect the people who belong here. Flagg and greenblue are okay, rideforever certainly is NOT. Do you all get the picture? Can you not respect the intent of this thread?

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Oh so if we set up a thread attacking God you would respect us for doing it and not intervene. I doubt it. Cant you talk to each other through God or are his priests too busy molesting children?

I happens in the whole rest of Wrong Planet, you might not have personally, but it happens. What irritates you people so much about one group of people wanting one thread to themselves. Forget that I'm not a MOD, you people are showing a complete lack of RESPECT for me and my people.

Okay, lets discuss this:

Romans 1:16-32 WNT
(16) For I am not ashamed of the Good News. It is God's power which is at work for the salvation of every one who believes--the Jew first, and then the Gentile.
(17) For in the Good News a righteousness which comes from God is being revealed, depending on faith and tending to produce faith; as the Scripture has it, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
(18 ) For God's anger is being revealed from Heaven against all impiety and against the iniquity of men who through iniquity suppress the truth. God is angry:
(19) because what may be known about Him is plain to their inmost consciousness; for He Himself has made it plain to them.
(20) For, from the very creation of the world, His invisible perfections--namely His eternal power and divine nature--have been rendered intelligible and clearly visible by His works, so that these men are without excuse.
(21) For when they had come to know God, they did not give Him glory as God nor render Him thanks, but they became absorbed in useless discussions, and their senseless minds were darkened.
(22) While boasting of their wisdom they became utter fools,
(23) and, instead of worshiping the imperishable God, they worshiped images resembling perishable man or resembling birds or beasts or reptiles.
(24) For this reason, in accordance with their own depraved cravings, God gave them up to uncleanness, allowing them to dishonor their bodies among themselves with impurity.
(25) For they had bartered the reality of God for what is unreal, and had offered divine honors and religious service to created things, rather than to the Creator--He who is for ever blessed. Amen.
(26) This then is the reason why God gave them up to vile passions. For not only did the women among them exchange the natural use of their bodies for one which is contrary to nature, but the men also,
(27) in just the same way--neglecting that for which nature intends women--burned with passion towards one another, men practicing shameful vice with men, and receiving in their own selves the reward which necessarily followed their misconduct.
(28) And just as they had refused to continue to have a full knowledge of God, so it was to utterly worthless minds that God gave them up, for them to do things which should not be done.
(29) Their hearts overflowed with all sorts of dishonesty, mischief, greed, malice. They were full of envy and murder, and were quarrelsome, crafty, and spiteful.
(30) They were secret backbiters, open slanderers; hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful; inventors of new forms of sin, disobedient to parents, destitute of common sense,
(31) faithless to their promises, without natural affection, without human pity.
(32) In short, though knowing full well the sentence which God pronounces against actions such as theirs, as things which deserve death, they not only practice them, but even encourage and applaud others who do them.

Yeah, like the Bible and the Koran dont imply that all us Atheists are going to hell... How uninsulting. You seem to think insulting and lack of respect is acceptable within a religion.

Not this again.....

You two, play nice. Please.

Flame wars aren't going to get anything done except make me raid the liqour cabinet.

Wrong Thread for you. Go!

*facepalms*

Why does this always happen to me?

*pops open a bottle of Merlot*

Bottoms up.

If you people are going to stay here anyway, then lets discuss the Bible.