Do a lot here like Biden or just really hate Trump?

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I don't like Biden any more than I like Starmer in the UK, as they're both somewhat right-wing, but compared to Trump, Biden will have to do.

It’s clear now

If you vote Biden you’re not getting Biden rather those that control him.

Who’s that?

probably competing branches of deep state intelligence agencies and lobbyists who are all probably trying to advance their own self serving agenda at the expense of others.

Is that safe for Americans or the world probably not.

I don't hate Joe Biden. In fact, I think he has done his job well. There are people who blame him for the recent inflation, and seem convinced that it would have been avoided had Trump been re-elected in 2020, but I'll admit I don't know which of Biden's policies is at fault.

I do think Biden is too old to stay in the job. He is 10 years older than me, and I think I'm too old for the Presidency. But that's not the same as hating him.

I don't understand how some people even consider him to be a right-winger. To me, that's ridiculous.

I do have a lot of grief with the Democratic Party, primarily due to two major concerns:

1.) They seem to assume they're the automatic party of choice for anyone who's not a White Protestant.
2.) They don't have anything to offer to the self-employed or to employees of small businesses.

I don't think think much would be needed to fix those two problems.

I do hate:

1.) People who actively admire Trump, who are probably a minority of those who will vote for him in November.
2.) Bernie Bros
3.) People who always insist on voting 3rd Party because doing so makes them feel superior to everybody else.

I think that Biden is basically okay. I don't worship him, as Trumpist do their cult leader.

One point I disagree with Biden is on trade. Inflation in the USA was very low for a very long time because of the cheap manufactured goods that came from China. Obama proposed the Trans Pacific Partnership. Trump axed it and put tariffs on Chinese imports. Biden kept and raised the tariffs. There is even a 100% tax on Chinese cars.

Other than that, I'm fine with Biden. Compared to Trump, he is an angel.

I think I may have poorly worded that. I was meaning that I think he has supported Israel too much.

This is a complicated matter, so yeah, I don't usually like speaking on it so sorry I worded it so poorly. lol.

Hamas is awful, what they did to Israelis is horrific and Hamas should be taken down, but I do not agree with the razing of Gaza to the ground and all of the innocent citizens who have lost their lives and their livelihoods. Israel faced harm and had cause to act, but Netanyahu is a blood-thirsty far right leader not unlike Trump and has used this as an opportunity to go wayyyy too far and pretty much annihilate Gazans.

I cut some slack for Biden in his role because I understand that Israel is a longtime ally and that standing up to Israel/denying aid would be opening a whole can of worms in of itself, but Biden doesn't know how to articulate any of this and instead keeps on making comments that only stoke the flames of those who are against the supporting of this genocide. His response to the protestors was poor. His response in the debate was poor. Surely he should have people in his administration telling him how to talk about this better, but geez, it's bad.

None of this changes the fact that even on this issue Biden is still better than Trump, as Trump himself showed in the debate. Trump actually had a chance to BS his way into trying to gain sympathy from the protestors, but instead he was like essentially "I'm all in on what Israel is doing". JFC. At least he was HONEST for once in that debate. Trump has not only the backing of, but the advising of from far right Christian nuts who see this as a Holy War, and are all for the flattening of Gaza. They see Israel as a holy land that is necessary for Biblical prophecies. Don't think they actually support Israeli people, as their prophecy sees all Israeli people who don't convert to Christianity suffering immensely, but when it comes to this war, they are all for anything and everything Israel will do. And Trump will play along, as he has shown with his own words.

Alright well seems like we're in agreement as that's exactly how I feel about Bidens Israel response, Like I kind of wish he could you know stand up more against Netanyahu like I am glad he didn't send those bombs, but he is still sending them other weapons. And yeah he should be more supportive to protesters and people here who are calling it out like he isn't going to get many right wingers to vote for him...so he should lean more into the left to ensure more votes from us. I will still vote for him...but for some his handling of Israel is a dealbreaker and even if he cant do much he could at least show support or at least understanding for the protestors.

But also yeah Hamas is what need to be razed to the ground, not civilians...I imagine Hamas is just as messed up as the Taliban who trump made a deal to pull out of Afghanistan with.

Of course, trump would be entirely on Netanyahu's side so Biden is still better than Trump in that regard. But yeah unfortunately that debate did not really do Biden any favors.

Personally, I agree with the statement. The Dems are what enables the GOP crazies to act the way that they do and still get elected. The Overton window has continually shifted to the right after the last few decades and there often times isn't even a left-leaning candidate available.

Biden is clearly better than Trump, but that's not really saying much as Trump is quite bad. The problem though is that Biden does do things like represent the banking industry and failed to really go after the GOP for not providing essential workers with proper support during the pandemic.

I'm old enough to remember when "conservative" politics meant "conservative" (dictionary definition). I've watched the meaning change from that to "reactionary", to "authoritarian", to where we are now, "fascist". Anyone whose political leanings would have been considered Republican in the 1960s and 1970s is now gone from the party. Millions of former card-carrying members (including me) have left as well.

The media is largely to blame here, as they get more ad revenue and clicks when presenting the chaos as equal 'sides'. There's nothing equal here. The Democratic party is weak and ineffectual in so many ways, and their politicians are also greedy for power and money, but they still believe in law & order and they still want to do the work of keeping this powerhouse of a country functional. Biden is a good example of that. He's not who I would vote for as a first choice, but he's gotten a lot of good things accomplished for the average American (including a much more stable economy than what he inherited from Trump).

Meanwhile, about 30% of this country has been convinced to vote against their own economic interests, and their own human and civil rights, in order to elect a lawless convicted felon who is probably the biggest failure in the industry he's supposedly good at and who openly does not respect the job he was elected to do....at least partly due to the fact he's not very smart and can't understand the complexity of the work. It's taken decades of Newspeak to convince people to do this to themselves.

The election this November isn't about one party versus the other, or one old white man against another. It's about whether or not the U.S. maintains as a country built from (albeit problematic) ideals to remain functioning as a major world force or if we continue to swirl the drain faster and faster.

Besides, speaking as an 'old' here: we didn't used to elect politicians because we 'liked' them, we voted for who we thought would do the best job. And between these two candidates, there's no contest whatsoever.

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Pick the Chimp Leader

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Who Is Willing to Take the
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the Marginalized too; In Other

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trump was controlled by those sorts as well, he just fooled his voters into believing that he wasn't.

Very true, this election is monumentally important. It truly could be catastrophic if Trump gets into office and his administration starts implementing Project 2025. It's a direct threat to our democracy, to our rights and freedoms, to our education, to our economy, to our health and well-being (just look at the bits about cutting regulations that keeps our food and everything safer), and even to the world at large (just think if Trump withdraws from NATO... That is very potentially catastrophic).

I don't know how to emphasize enough that Biden is the one and only choice. This isn't a standard election, as most elections aren't in the world right now if you notice. This isn't about taxes (although it also is about that, in that Trump wants to extend his awful tax cuts, keeping us all poorer and making the rich richer) or reasonable regulations adjustments, this is about benefiting rich white Christian heterosexual cisgender men and screwing all of the rest of us over. I wish it weren't this simple, but it actually is, because it doesn't even have to be inferred, it's said point blank. The quiet part is being said out loud... And people are still falling for it. WTF.

I will be the first to say, though, that the party system has always been complicated, and any party that is/was conservative was extremely damaging. From the conservative Democrats of the Confederacy, to the conservative Republicans of the last several decades.

Where we are today with the Republican party being extreme is the result of a carefully crafted plan forged over the past several decades. Key to it was the alliance between the ultra wealthy "libertarians" (Koch brothers and others) and the Religious Right. The libertarians, you know, were supposed to be about freedom, but showed us that the only "freedom" they care about is reckless cutting of regulations that hurts us all but saves them money. These people would let someone die if it saved them a penny. They showed us how little they cared about any meaningful freedom when they allied with the authoritarian Religious Right, a decision they did purely out of the interest of making themselves wealthier.

This alliance and plan has sped up the super harmful agendas of both groups. The Religious Right used the funding to control a lot of the media. Most critically the radio waves that so many rural people listened to over the decades. They used the media to proselytize but also spread mass disinformation (which has nowadays expanded to TV and the internet), that has essentially gotten the populace to where it is now - very disinformed, very distrusting of facts and reality.

The Religious Right itself has done everything to intermix its core with far right politics. It coalesced around defending segregation and opposing interracial relationships and marriage. I kid you not when I say that they had the same extremely bad arguments back then for supporting racism (the ol' "my sincerely-held religious beliefs are being hurt" nonsense), but when that ultimately failed, they then pulled the abortion issue - which most evangelicals did not care about and isn't really even based in the Bible - and made it both a political and religious belief. It's ridiculous.

Anyway, the control of the media has allowed for the Religious Right to control the narrative on so many things. They have used this to give us the Orwellian language that the right uses nowadays. They say they're for law and order, but they're not. They say they're for freedom and religious freedom, but they're taking away so many freedoms and religious freedom. They say they're for small government, but they use big government wherever they see fit. Even when they say they're for business rights and freedoms, they attack corporations that disagree with them politically. They say they're against cancel culture, but they're only really against it when it effects them, but are for it otherwise, as... remember, the right has always been the ones censoring people, books, media, etc. that they don't like. They say they're constitutionalists, but they ignore so many parts of the constitution. Etc. etc. I know these might be oversimplifications in cases, but... there is a trend here, a very problematic one.

Now, of course, you see Trump and his ilk whining about the government being weaponized against them, even though they've committed so many crimes in broad daylight that the only reason they weren't punished before now and are still being handled with kid gloves is precisely because the government favors them and doesn't want to punish them. Meanwhile, Trump is out here talking about literally weaponizing the government against his opponents even if crimes cannot be found. This is insanity.

You know, a book I read talked about the aspects of how fascist dictatorships work, and one of the key points was the dilution of what is true and the flipping of everything to mean the opposite. This is certainly what the Religious Right has done. 100%. It's vile. I don't know how much of it is intentional, versus how much of it is projection at this point, but all of it is dangerous.

Anyway, I could go off a whole bunch more of how the alliance has also compromised our democracy and given the right undue power. This is another long story. xD I suggest people read "How Democracies Die" and "Tyranny of the Minority" by Levitsky and Ziblatt. These two books outline pretty extensively how the right has compromised democracy to get themselves more power than is due (it's very interesting, and disheartening). And they are going full steam with this. Project 2025 is the culmination, it is the final bowling pin to be knocked down, to devolve us into authoritarianism. Regardless of whether or not it would be successful in that, every move is incremental. The incrementalism that the right has implemented is precisely why Project 2025 could work. They've got the Electoral College on their side, they've got Congress slanted in their favor, they've got the Supreme Court compromised. The checks and balances (or the guardrails as some say) have been largely compromised. They also have sowed the seed of distrust of democracy in the populace and have defeated the democracy defenders within their party that are needed.

Could there be checks and balances that could still come into play? Dear lord, I hope so. However, I don't trust that the right wouldn't use their dark money to spread mass disinformation to the populace and also cheat (voter suppression) to also compromise those checks and balances.

If Trump wins, the USA is going to be tested to its very limit. I'm not so certain that it would survive, and that's what's so darn scary. That we have gotten to this point where it's no longer just deep speculation of what could be in far off specific scenarios, no, it's all played out right in front of us. Our democracy is weak, our populace is disinformed and can't tell truth from lies anymore. We are in a very vulnerable situation here. If one thinks this is all crazy talk, you aren't paying attention. And sorry people, but Biden's cognitive decline is far less of an issue than Trump and the far right's stated plans.



The idea that Trump isn't a corrupt elite is one of the most bizarre ideas I've ever heard of. Just as bizarre as people thinking that Trump's riches came from him pulling himself up by the bootstraps. Everything about Trump is so fake and I can't believe people fall for it.

Trump is the very picture of a privileged man born into wealth and power which allowed him to amass more of each. He then used that to help make him famous, from which he has done nothing but use his fame for depravity (sexually assaulting women and going into dressing rooms to check out the women naked. *vomits*) and corruption (just look at how much power he exerts over politicians and how much he has escaped from so much law and consequences).

Trump IS the swamp. And if people can't see that, I don't even know what to tell them.

Yes, although it's far more common these days for the President to be captured in a similar fashion. Some presidents just have more independence on a few important issues than others.

Really, we need to fix the nominating process to allow more independence from donors, especially since we're officially typically stuck with them for 4 years.

Ending lobbying would be a great start for US to get its democracy back.

If your party is supported by at least x% (name the figure) of the electorate then the gov should finance it. Say give each $50 million to spend how they choose, advertising, salaries etc..

No more buying politicians or gov policy.

The later.

I don't feel like of either of those men as mentally fit to have a 2nd term.

One of them has 20 sexual assault cases, supported an insurrection and talks to white supremacist groups. So I have to vote the other by default.

Ex-GOP voter tells CNN she'd 'rather vote for the corpse of Biden than Trump's lying face'

https://www.rawstory.com/biden-corpse-trump-lying-face/

The age card has been very one sided against Biden when Trump is only three years younger.

One is built like Rick Sanchez and rides a Peloton daily while the other scoffs down McDonalds like Homer Simpson at a buffet