What's your take on the Larry Craig bathroom bust?

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I think it was either a set up or the guy was a plant.

[quote="UncleBeer" From reports, Craig "peered" from a distance of 3 feet from the door. Not exactly 'invasion of privacy'. And for the user of the stall not to give out a hearty "Take a hike, Nancy!" under these circumstances points to entrapment.

But ya'll seem to be more familiar with the 'secret handshake' than I. [/quote]

Three feet from the door, that's not even the distance between the sink and a bathroom stall. If he had put his eye in the crack, pardon the pun, that would have seemed very offensive and a dead giveaway to anybody present in the washroom. And yes, if someone watches me in a stall for two minutes (again, try and count two minutes and pretend you're staring at a a guy in the confines of a stall, that's a LONG time to be watching someone in a public bathroom), and that would be invasive of my privacy, absolutely. And remember, this is about anonymity, so he doesn't want others to know he's cruising, so it's not like he can yell out "Hey dude, I want to suck your dick in the john". And yes, of course, you're right, anybody not interested would tell him to take a hike, or worse, and that's just my point: Craig is one of the people that helped pass these laws to put police in places like this in order to maintain his family values. So, it's actually the police's job not to discourage the people who are trying to cruise in public bathrooms, in order to catch them. They are acting as bait. Once again, I completely disagree with these methods, and yes, to me too, this points to entrapment, but when it's people like ultra conservative, homophobic Larry Craig who gets busted, well, maybe this is one instance where I'm happy he took the bait.

And there's no "secret handshake": when someone flirts with you for two minutes, and motions for you in a bathroom stall with his fingers and feet, it's pretty clear what he wants, and it's not a piece of toilet paper.

I don't care about the specific details, the guy was either framed or he was a fake just put there to make conservatives look bad.

Well, he was a legitimate cop doing his job, and he happened to catch Craig that day. The fact that he caught a conservative, homophobic married man cruising the men's public bathrooms does not make conservatives look bad, it makes Larry Craig look very very bad. Worse, it makes him a hypocrite.

It makes him a fake.

Again: everyday folk have to beware what "secret hookup signal" they may inadvertenly send via hands and feet while in public?

Good luck with the witch hunt, michel.

Since when is entrapment part of a cop's duty statement.... Oh, forgot, this is America, where they do allow this s**t. First of all Craig was an idiot for getting himself in that position, and the cop SHOULD have been done for entrapment, regardless of what your law says. There is no excuse for criminal activity, no matter where you are.

He can only be done for entrapment if the cop solicited the guy or forced him. This is ridiculous though it has nothing to do with Conservatives, it is to do with double standards. If was in the Republican Party I would want to distance myself from this guy. The sentance part is not the most important thing.

I thought this was ingenious:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hamp ... 717896.stm

The bad thing is Neil Hamilton's. Then again it probably does add to the psychology of the trap.

I just think it is poor when ex-politician and socialite crooks (like Jeffrey Archer) are allowed to continue to make money directly or indirectly from their crimes. They are not remorseful themselves yet the guy on the street that has erred is has to convince other he has changed.

I think that he should stop hiding his
enjoyment of anonymous gay sex.

Hi,
I'm a neurotypical who spends a lot of time with people with Asperger's. My niece is an ASPY, and so is my significant other. I also teach kids with Asperger's, teach classes on it and have taken many classes regarding Asperger's. As an aside my son happens to be gay.

I may be way off the wall, but from reading Craig's history going back to college, is it possible that he has Asperger's? It seems he has been awkward with women (as reported by a former fraternity brother). He appears to be bright, was a leader of his fraternity. It has been said that he speaks with a formal old style articulation (remember little professor reference by Tony Attwood). When there were charges from pages saying they had been approached inappropriately by senators, Craig panicked and came out publicly saying he wasn't gay. He was the only one who made a statement. A woman who used to date him said he wasn't a touchy feely hand holder, but would always open the door for her. She said she sometimes felt like his briefcase as he didn't pay her much attention. (inferring he was stiff acting, not warm). He again panicked in this restroom incident. There haven't been any specific guys coming out of the woodwork to say they have had sex with him. In his history there have been a couple people who felt he was making a pass, but nothing was acted upon.

Is it possible that this is just a guy who is very intelligent, but in term of social skills has difficulty with interactions to the point that he displays atypical body language, does not understand how to interact well , has trouble modulating his voice, and at times behaves oddly or is eccentric, but not gay?

I know it is a stretch, but could he also have panicked by how authoritarian the cop was being and just went along because he didn't know what to do. In my experience the people that I love with Asperger's can have pretty significant personality changes when they feel trapped, or confused.

For a neurotypical, not getting an attorney, pleading guilty, and some of his historical behavior would make it seem pretty obvious he was either gay and couldn't be himslef so felt the only way he could act upon it was anaonymously, or he could be a pervert as gay people who are comfortable with their orientation don't need to act out in bathrooms. Or if he was obsessive compulsive, maybe his repeated behaviors were due to that disorder.

Anyway, I hope I'm not being insulting and would really like opinions from Aspys, as you would know better than I would. It was just a thought I had. Thanks!
Mollie

I know, really! I wanna know what the cop looks like.