Israel's Endgame: Concentration Camps

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Israel and the occupied territories need to be part of that zone as well.

"Should" . . . "Need" . . . whatever.

It's the anti-semitic lies that have convinced people that "Israel = Bad" and "Terrorists = Good".

No, it's Israel's documented behaviour that gradually convinces anyone with a conscious that Israel is engaged in evil. Meanwhile useful idiots insist on denying reality, lying and conflating criticism of Israel of any sort with attacks on the Jewish people as a whole, which ironically seems antisemitic to pretend the two are synonymous.

Who here has been saying that "Terrorists = Good"?

The point is not that "Terrorists = Good" but that Israel, at least over this past year, has been a whole lot worse in terms of sheer numbers of civilians killed, and also in terms of sheer scale of destruction of civilian infrastructure. This is not an "anti-semitic lie," this is blatantly obvious reality.

On what allegedly factual grounds can you possibly deny this???

There are other ways to respond to terrorists besides what Israel has done. See, for example, how the U.K. dealt with the IRA in Northern Ireland.

Attacks against Israel by Hamas, Hezbollah, et cetera, have been going on for years, culminating in the attack on October 7 of last year; yet let Israel retaliate -- decisively, I might add -- and the Jew-haters immediately start wailing and shouting over those "poor people people who never did anything wrong" -- lying to themselves over who did what to whom.

The best way to get Israel to stop attacking its neighbors is for those neighbors to stop attacking Israel, whether directly or by proxy.

In fairness the IRA was not Hamas. The IRA desired to kick the Brits out of Northern Ireland not at minimum replace the UK with a Catholic dominated state. The IRA did not invade the UK massacre the rough equivalent of 10,800 civilians, kidnap 2500 or so Brits of all ages. Northern Ireland is not nearly as densely populated as Gaza. IRA fighters did not think they were going to meet 72 virgins upon being martyred ie being killed was a necessary evil not a desired outcome. The IRA did not have a massive network of tunnels. Deciding to arrest or kill IRA members was not the equivalent of deciding to kill innocent civilians.

So you consider genocide to be morally acceptable as a "decisive" solution?


I wouldn't say that the Palestinians "never did anything wrong," and I also believe it's important to oppose anti-Jewish bigotry.

But Israel is, with the U.S.A.'s help, the most powerful country in the Middle East. As such, it is the country with the most power to set the agenda, and needs to take more responsibility for doing that.


How about this: The best way to make Israel less vulnerable to its neighbors, in the first place, might be to find a way to deal more equitably with the Palestinians. See my post on Ongoing injustices as a national vulnerablity.

If I recall correctly, it did want Northern Ireland to become part of Ireland, which is a Catholic dominated state.


Yes, there are many differences between Hamas and the IRA. Nevertheless, Israel didn't need to kill over 40,000 people, including over 16,000 children, nor did it need to destroy so many homes, hospitals, and other civilian infrastructure in Gaza. Israel had the technological ability to be much more targeted in its attacks.


Indeed it was not.

Are you really so ignorant as to be unable to see why Palestinian groups keep fighting back against Israel?

Israel stealing their land is the root cause, if you refuse to acknowledge that your conclusions about the the conflict will be worthless, like they are now.

How does Israel exist without theft and mass murder of Palestinians? It doesn't.
How does this conflict occur, without that antagonism? It doesn't.

Israel can't steal their homes and lands and not expect retaliation for their thievery and yet the Israel first crowd insists on pretending that Israel's theft and the violence that results from it isn't Israel's fault. You excuse villainy when it's your designated good guys despite the fact that those actions are what cause the conflict. Instead you just handwave the antagonists behaviour and whine when people recognize your framing as dishonest.

You're nothing more than a useful idiot for genocidal monsters and deserve to be recognized as such.

It seems they've agreed there needs to be a final solution to the Palestinian question.

Israel has a right to defend itself after a terrorist attack by terrorists, that doesn't mean they have the right to closely mimic genocide.

People are blinded because Israel is "gods people", what can you do?

"Attacks by Israel against Palestine, Lebanon, Gaza, et cetera, have been going on for years, resulting in the attack on October 7 of last year."

Fixed it!
People need to stop looking at terrorist attacks as something that happen in a vacuum. October 7 was the predictable result of Israel's genocidal policies against its neighbors and the treatment of non-Jews as inferior second class citizens.

Any time I see someone baffled at why terrorism happens, I see someone who is willfully ignorant of history--someone who prefers to ignore the parts of history that take them out of their nationalist comfort zone. Someone who buys into official narratives and clutches their pearls when other countries don't fall in line with whatever their Glorious Nation wants.

The best way to get Israel's neighbors to stop attacking Israel is for Israel to stop attacking its neighbors and upholding the ethno-nationalist supremacist state.

There is no military solution for Israel. Conventional military and police can never stop a determined resistance. To paraphrase Ho Chi Minh, describing the Vietnamese struggle against colonialism: "You will kill 10 of us for every 1 of you that we kill--and you will still lose."
Zionists are full of doubt and uncertainty and fear. Anti-Zionists are filled with determination that only comes from decades of oppression. The colonizers will eventually pack up and leave like they did in Algeria, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, and so many other places

History has already told us how this will end. Funnelling billions of dollars into the Israeli military will only delay the inevitable with blood sacrifices at the altar of the Golden Calf.
That's all Israel is: an obscene idol--a perverse unholy imitation of the Kingdom of God worshipped by those lost in the spiritual Wilderness.

Go to where exactly? America? Immigration is not exactly popular now. Jews are becoming less popular and this decline will continue as the war goes on and on. Back where they came from? As of 2020 78 percent of Jewish Israelis come from Israel(Sabras). Yes, countries will find ways to let in top scientists, etc., but the average Israeli will be seen as an enabler or participant in genocide by the left and a loser by the right.

I see four basic ways this can go. The following is based on the assumption that when Gen Z takes power Israel will be almost completely cut off, maybe even blockaded.

1. Israel surrenders to the inevitable.

2. Israelis become the Palestinians, willing to fight on despite seemingly impossible odds and willing to take continuous extreme punishment.

3. Masada example - Mass suicide rather than what in their mind would be Holocaust 2.0.

4. Sampson Option - We are going down so we will take out as much as possible before this happens. This is an extreme version of what often happens in warfare, the surrendering or withdrawing army burns everything to the ground. The Sampson option usually refers to Israel using its nukes but it could also mean using cyberwarfare to "turn out the lights".

Option one is based on the assumption that Israel is not the Israel of its early socialist/communist kibbutz days heavily made up of people who have just survived the holocaust. Israel is now "the startup nation" too comfortable with the luxuries of life to handle deprivation.

My guess is that a significant enough portion of the population is resilient/fanatical to the degree that it will be
options two, three, or four. That said one never knows how oneself never mind a whole country is going to react to overwhelming odds against them.

Uhm... one might think that a independant Nation, should be entitled to their autonomy,,one might consider ..
If there was a problem .. perhaps like the US bargains with countries to behave.. What happened to negotiations of
controlling their own territory ... Paying off Politicians is a fact of history....Then consider as I had written before, about a coastal RealEstate grab.. Which would naturally be a asset to any countries economy ..If Israel wanted water rights, why not negotiate ?....And historically .. Israel has treated the Palestinians as less than second class citizens, now indiscriminately killing them.. With out UN control.. the Palestinians will have this insane history with Israel ...
That would not be going away anytime in the next few generstions... Israel quite literally needs to have a permanent demilitarized zone imposed upon their country.. Am absolutely not seeing another way of any peace in this situation. Palestinians having autonomy , Israel also, and obviously countries that were not involved in the first place.
Israeli has considered themselves as a first world people. Then very possibly they should follow International negotiations as such a Country ..Instead of an ancient Tribal nation fighting for its own autonomy .Their Industries provide much more than adequate funding by selling and doing business.like normal modern humans ?
Plenty of Cash to bribe other countries officials to handle affairs that might be egregious to them. Or not do business with that country. If countries cannot behave at their own borders, then , I do believe this was part of the UN workd mission.

I agree so far. However ....


Nope. Too many Israelis have nowhere to "pack up and leave" to.

I see two possible outcomes:

1) The best possible outcome would be a single binational Israel-Palestine state, somewhat like the ending of Apartheid in South Africa, but with some extra built-in constitutional protections for both Jews and indigenous Palestinians (e.g. absolutely no more evictions of Palestinians).

2) Unfortunately, the more likely outcome is a long genocidal war, killing millions of people all over the Middle East and maybe around the world.

Perhaps, but the Gaza Strip is already a concentration camp. The people aren't free to come and go and the Israelis have been exploiting that reality to murder as many of them as they feel like over the last couple decades. The difference between what Israel is doing here and what the Italians were doing with their concentration camps during WWII isn't appreciably different. We can sort of argue that there's not enough murdering going on to make it comparable to the camps that the Nazis had set up, but there's no rational argument that what Israel is doing with Gaza is any different from what the Italians were doing with their concentration camps. Just leaving people to die without access to food or medical supplies.

Also, we don't really need anti-zionist propaganda when the zionists are outright murdering people with no cause. At this point even being a Jewish Israeli isn't enough to guarantee that the IDF forces won't outright murder you. As those hostages would have learned had they not been immediately gunned down.

Anybody that's taking sides in all of this hasn't done the necessary research to understand what's going on, because the Israelis are not the good guys, but neither are the various groups on the other side.