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30 Nov 2024, 12:17 am

There is absolutely no foundation for the fear of vaccines. Including the idea that it's not the vaccine itself but other ingredients that could cause harm. All of it is entirely untrue. Vaccines are perfectly safe.



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30 Nov 2024, 1:17 pm

I'm not saying vaccines are *perfectly* safe, but they're a lot safer than drowning in your mucus from whooping cough or getting meningitis from the measles.

Must be hard being a doctor and seeing kids suffer like that because their parents think vaccinations are evil.



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30 Nov 2024, 2:12 pm

^I am. I am saying they are perfectly safe. To say anything else is vaccine scare mongering because it comes off as equivocating.



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30 Nov 2024, 2:28 pm

I'm not much scared by vaccines, having had quite a few of them since my childhood and suffered no apparent harm from them. I suppose there's always an outside chance that some clown will put a toxic additive in there or some new technology will turn out to be dangerous, so it's a matter of balancing the expected risks and benefits and making sensible decisions.

Some folks don't seem able to do that. There was a British vaccine developed that harmed a small number of people, so the logical choice would have been to go for one of the slightly safer, non-British types, but some UK folks delayed getting their jabs because they wanted to be patriotic and use the British one. Then, when the general public became a bit wary of the British vaccine, the NHS said "it's better than getting Covid," which wasn't really the choice people were making, but I guess the NHS figured most people would apply critical thinking. I won't get started on the wacky conspiracy theories that a certain sector of Americans believed.

The OP mentioned psych meds. I don't think there's much doubt that they can be somewhat riskier than a one-off Covid shot. Again it should be a logical balance of risks and benefits, but that's not always the way people do things. Of course it's not always possible to know the exact probabilities, and it can be time-consuming to try to find them, but if people in general would think more and make their doctors listen, then maybe more doctors would come to expect patients to be proactive, and they wouldn't be so top-down and resistant to having a 2-way conversation.



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30 Nov 2024, 2:59 pm

bee33 wrote:
^I am. I am saying they are perfectly safe. To say anything else is vaccine scare mongering because it comes off as equivocating.



Wow, perfectly safe. Are you sure????? You do know that the mRNA technology was NEVER tested on humans before covid, meaning everyone who got it was a TEST SUBJECT.



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30 Nov 2024, 3:06 pm

One issue that can be a concern is when they puncture the skin so ones blood could come out which can potentially cause death if one runs out.

Now if I was a car, I could use a sealant, but those products can be deadly to use as were not made for humans. BUT one can eat a raw egg which will natrually seal any holes. It works well on car radiators which have to seal at much hotter tempratures than us! So it will work well for humans too.



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30 Nov 2024, 3:09 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
One issue that can be a concern is when they puncture the skin so ones blood could come out which can potentially cause death if one runs out.

Now if I was a car, I could use a sealant, but those products can be deadly to use as were not made for humans. BUT one can eat a raw egg which will natrually seal any holes. It works well on car radiators which have to seal at much hotter tempratures than us! So it will work well for humans too.


Thankfully humans make their own sealant when punctured, no need for raw egg. :P


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30 Nov 2024, 3:15 pm

ShwaggyD wrote:
bee33 wrote:
^I am. I am saying they are perfectly safe. To say anything else is vaccine scare mongering because it comes off as equivocating.



Wow, perfectly safe. Are you sure????? You do know that the mRNA technology was NEVER tested on humans before covid, meaning everyone who got it was a TEST SUBJECT.

And it has since been tested on literally hundreds of millions of people.



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30 Nov 2024, 5:15 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LR_ovx9okk

No Trump you not getting around this, my clear point is we do need vaccines, but they need to be safe and take a while for public to get over what happened.
So sooner we have companies working with Kennedy and faith goes up, better for everyone.



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30 Nov 2024, 6:19 pm

bee33 wrote:
ShwaggyD wrote:
bee33 wrote:
^I am. I am saying they are perfectly safe. To say anything else is vaccine scare mongering because it comes off as equivocating.



Wow, perfectly safe. Are you sure????? You do know that the mRNA technology was NEVER tested on humans before covid, meaning everyone who got it was a TEST SUBJECT.

And it has since been tested on literally hundreds of millions of people.



Tested, and found lacking. They prevented nothing. They did, however, cause severe blood clots, heart problems and even death for many people. Yes, perfectly safe.



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30 Nov 2024, 6:48 pm

ShwaggyD wrote:
bee33 wrote:
ShwaggyD wrote:


Wow, perfectly safe. Are you sure????? You do know that the mRNA technology was NEVER tested on humans before covid, meaning everyone who got it was a TEST SUBJECT.

And it has since been tested on literally hundreds of millions of people.



Tested, and found lacking. They prevented nothing. They did, however, cause severe blood clots, heart problems and even death for many people. Yes, perfectly safe.
That's just completely untrue.



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30 Nov 2024, 7:00 pm

Im not against RFK Kennedy, I like his fruit loop theory. In those days many views emerged about vaccines or heavy metals causing autism, so not to hard on guy as I think he has a purpose.

The combined DTP vaccine in Africa is known to be unstable.
What we also know first polio vaccine was tested as safe, but during deployment there were changes that lead vaccine to differ Nd be ineffective. This is one theory on covid vaccine that tested vs deployed vaccines differ.

I reckon room for improvement and safety in vaccines.
Nope covid was not tested, but hospitals were overwhelmed and lockdowns ruining economies, I didn't take vaccine, of which it wasn't free or available in Africa so I wasn't required to have a pass as some countries. My dad nearly died when he had covid, but of those who did get it, we hear of health issues. So again RFK has a seat in my opinion,



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30 Nov 2024, 7:00 pm

bee33 wrote:
That's just completely untrue.


Yes, you stating vaccines are perfectly safe is indeed completely untrue. I'm glad you are finally able to see and admit the truth



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30 Nov 2024, 7:06 pm

ShwaggyD wrote:
bee33 wrote:
That's just completely untrue.


Yes, you stating vaccines are perfectly safe is indeed completely untrue. I'm glad you are finally able to see and admit the truth


I never said vaccines are safe, I said with bit of work older vaccines could be safer. Covid would require testing and time.

But what I'm saying faster fix this, the better as vaccines are valid passport of health care.



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30 Nov 2024, 7:21 pm

ShwaggyD wrote:
bee33 wrote:
That's just completely untrue.


Yes, you stating vaccines are perfectly safe is indeed completely untrue. I'm glad you are finally able to see and admit the truth

It's not okay to treat people on the forum in this manner.



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30 Nov 2024, 7:32 pm

Ursula wrote:
ShwaggyD wrote:
bee33 wrote:
That's just completely untrue.


Yes, you stating vaccines are perfectly safe is indeed completely untrue. I'm glad you are finally able to see and admit the truth


I never said vaccines are safe, I said with bit of work older vaccines could be safer. Covid would require testing and time.

But what I'm saying faster fix this, the better as vaccines are valid passport of health care.



This was a response to bee33, not you. Sorry for any confusion.

I too enjoy RFK Jr and his fruit loop theory. There are many potentially dangerous ingredients allowed to be put in many processed foods in the US, ingredients that are banned in multiple other countries across the globe. This needs to be corrected ASAP. I do admit that I do have difficulty listening to him speak though, his voice issues always make it hard for me to fully process what he is saying.

There is evidence that has shown that the tested vaccines were almost never the same as the ones deployed. There is even evidence that suggests that the different production lots of the vaccines were not the same each time either, often attributed to sloppy production.

I often feel bad for the people of Africa having to deal with Bill Gates seemingly always using them as test subjects for his vaccines. I don't trust him myself. He and reminds of one of the Nazgûl from Lord of the Rings.