Discussing political disagreements with parents/relatives?
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Mona Pereth wrote:
Who here has had, or tried to have, conversations with parents or other relatives about one or more disagreements you've had with them on political or social issues?
If so, what are your thoughts on how to make such conversations productive and not harmful to family relationships?
I was inspired to ask this question by the following post here:
To depressedmiddleage:
Have you ever made any attempts to educate your parents about the Israel/Palestine situation? If so, what happened?
I myself did challenge my parents' beliefs on some other social and political issues years ago, with limited success. I'll share some of the details later.
(I will also add that I was born near the end of the baby boom, but I managed eventually to change my mind about the Israel/Palestine situation, in a series of phases, including a long period of confusion when I felt that I just didn't have enough information to take any kind of stand. So please don't generalize about all boomers.)
If so, what are your thoughts on how to make such conversations productive and not harmful to family relationships?
I was inspired to ask this question by the following post here:
depressedmiddleage wrote:
I don't see anything changing until the boomers drop dead - sadly. Watching my mom scream at the television "Why don't you go back to your country!" at American protestors being assaulted by the police for daring to speak out against the blatant genocide of Palestine clinched it for me. Being raised on Zionist television propaganda their entire lives makes them probably the most brainwashed.
To depressedmiddleage:
Have you ever made any attempts to educate your parents about the Israel/Palestine situation? If so, what happened?
I myself did challenge my parents' beliefs on some other social and political issues years ago, with limited success. I'll share some of the details later.
(I will also add that I was born near the end of the baby boom, but I managed eventually to change my mind about the Israel/Palestine situation, in a series of phases, including a long period of confusion when I felt that I just didn't have enough information to take any kind of stand. So please don't generalize about all boomers.)
I believe about 99% of what we read or hear in the media is false, and our political opinions are based on misconceptions and very unlikely to be right. You can flip a coin to determine most political issues and arrive at a better result in most cases. In fact, most court cases should be determined by coin-flipping, to save money on lawyers and judges. The litigation will focus on which coin to use, the quarter, dime, nickel, penny, dollar or half-dollar.
I don't argue with family over politics other than to point out things that are not discussed in the media and that, therefore, they have no preexisting opinion about.
It is futile to argue with someone that has been indoctrinated by a constant diet of nonsense and lies. Their nonsense and lies may be the basis of their understanding of reality and life itself, and arguing against that is threatening their very psychological well-being.
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Honey69 wrote:
Just for fun, you could pretend that you had seen the light and turned hard conservative.
Make statements such as
"We'll show Putin just how quickly we can take Canada, Greenland and Panama. Imagine, 3 years in Ukraine, and nothing to show for it. What a loser!"
"it is too bad that there aren't any Norwegians who want to move here."
"After we've deported everyone, we can send Blacks to work on the farms."
"We need to round up all of the liberals, and people who voted for Harris, and consign them to interment camps! Put them to work, building the Wall! And our wall will be a Great Wall! Way better than Chyna's! Mexico will pay for it, and we'll be so proud of it, for centuries to come!"
Make statements such as
"We'll show Putin just how quickly we can take Canada, Greenland and Panama. Imagine, 3 years in Ukraine, and nothing to show for it. What a loser!"
"it is too bad that there aren't any Norwegians who want to move here."
"After we've deported everyone, we can send Blacks to work on the farms."
"We need to round up all of the liberals, and people who voted for Harris, and consign them to interment camps! Put them to work, building the Wall! And our wall will be a Great Wall! Way better than Chyna's! Mexico will pay for it, and we'll be so proud of it, for centuries to come!"
Chyna? The wrestler? I thought she died a while back.
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I just found this article that seems to have some decent advice about how to deal with folks that have disagreements. Especially stupid positions like vaccines causing autism and whatever else. Basically just bypass the position and try to reference something good, like that vaccines do actually prevent polio and polio rather than telling them that vaccines don't cause autism, which is unlikely to move the needle for anybody that still believes that.
https://bigthink.com/neuropsych/dont-wa ... technique/
MatchboxVagabond wrote:
I just found this article that seems to have some decent advice about how to deal with folks that have disagreements. Especially stupid positions like vaccines causing autism and whatever else. Basically just bypass the position and try to reference something good, like that vaccines do actually prevent polio and polio rather than telling them that vaccines don't cause autism, which is unlikely to move the needle for anybody that still believes that.
https://bigthink.com/neuropsych/dont-wa ... technique/
https://bigthink.com/neuropsych/dont-wa ... technique/
As this article also says, though:
Quote:
There are limitations to what the team at APPC has concluded. Their study into bypassing was largely about attitudes to policies, not about belief change or belief correction. So, for example, your dad might still believe that GMOs cause allergies, but, thanks to your bypassing, be okay with their widespread use worldwide. “Fair play, son,” he’ll say, “I’m happy they’re helping prevent world hunger.” Someone might still believe that 5G kills birds or that aluminium causes bone problems but admit that those are necessary evils set against the positive outcomes you present them with.
So, bypassing isn’t the only tool available, and it might not even be the best if your concern is belief change. Changing someone’s belief is a complicated psychological topic, and there is definitely no one-size-fits-all strategy.
So, bypassing isn’t the only tool available, and it might not even be the best if your concern is belief change. Changing someone’s belief is a complicated psychological topic, and there is definitely no one-size-fits-all strategy.
The article then contains a link to Everyday Philosophy: When should you try to change your friend’s beliefs?
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Mona Pereth wrote:
MatchboxVagabond wrote:
I just found this article that seems to have some decent advice about how to deal with folks that have disagreements. Especially stupid positions like vaccines causing autism and whatever else. Basically just bypass the position and try to reference something good, like that vaccines do actually prevent polio and polio rather than telling them that vaccines don't cause autism, which is unlikely to move the needle for anybody that still believes that.
https://bigthink.com/neuropsych/dont-wa ... technique/
https://bigthink.com/neuropsych/dont-wa ... technique/
As this article also says, though:
Quote:
There are limitations to what the team at APPC has concluded. Their study into bypassing was largely about attitudes to policies, not about belief change or belief correction. So, for example, your dad might still believe that GMOs cause allergies, but, thanks to your bypassing, be okay with their widespread use worldwide. “Fair play, son,” he’ll say, “I’m happy they’re helping prevent world hunger.” Someone might still believe that 5G kills birds or that aluminium causes bone problems but admit that those are necessary evils set against the positive outcomes you present them with.
So, bypassing isn’t the only tool available, and it might not even be the best if your concern is belief change. Changing someone’s belief is a complicated psychological topic, and there is definitely no one-size-fits-all strategy.
So, bypassing isn’t the only tool available, and it might not even be the best if your concern is belief change. Changing someone’s belief is a complicated psychological topic, and there is definitely no one-size-fits-all strategy.
The article then contains a link to Everyday Philosophy: When should you try to change your friend’s beliefs?
There's always going to be limitations. I think this kind of covers a bit about what to do when it can be done to at least be in the same room without things devolving into a cold or civil war.
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