Who won if anybody the Gaza war?
funeralxempire wrote:
MaxE wrote:
Very seldom does anybody outright "win" a war. Canada won the war of 1812 because US aggression failed.
I don't want to hijack with too much attention on this tangent, but Canada didn't even exist at the time.
The US failed in it's war aims but didn't get curb stomped as badly as they could have, causing Americans to often treat 1812 like a second war of independence that they won by virtue of surviving and not losing any territory.
The Brits barely even remember the conflict.
Canada's identity was birthed by surviving the conflict and avoiding being annexed by the US, but it's hard to say an entity that barely existed at the beginning won when it didn't even have agency throughout the conflict.
Well they had Upper Canada and Lower Canada back then. Where was Laura Secord from? According to Google she was Canadian.
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Based on the replies the assumption people seemingly made from the title is that there has to be a winner. The title said "Who If Anybody Won The Gaza War?
Everybody involved in any way lost.
Hamas has been seriously degraded as a military force. They not only might have underestimated Israel's response but they overestimated Hezbollah's response. They expected Hezbollah to join them on their 10/07/23 rampage. If Israel was invaded also by the then much stronger Hezbollah, the completely caught-by-surprise Israel might have been done for right then and there.
Hezbollah was seriously degraded and Iran was degraded and exposed. The degradation of Assad's allies probably sped up his political demise.
All of Israel's enemies have been downgraded yet they still lost. They so far have failed in their objective to destroy Hamas
The hostage release fiasco demonstrates despite being seriously degraded Hamas is still playing Israel like a fiddle. Israel's reaction to 10/7 has resulted in them becoming a partial pariah state. Arguably with Trump, this might not matter for a while but the strongest anti-Israeli feeling is among the generation that will take power in 20 years. Jews by their support and association with Israel have received the blowback. Antisemites got their permission slip and with surging anti-zionism, they got a plausible explanation. Besides the public harassment and vandalism in some circles, Jewish-themed projects are seen as too risky.
The winner has been Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham(HTS) who was not involved in any way.
Everybody involved in any way lost.
Hamas has been seriously degraded as a military force. They not only might have underestimated Israel's response but they overestimated Hezbollah's response. They expected Hezbollah to join them on their 10/07/23 rampage. If Israel was invaded also by the then much stronger Hezbollah, the completely caught-by-surprise Israel might have been done for right then and there.
Hezbollah was seriously degraded and Iran was degraded and exposed. The degradation of Assad's allies probably sped up his political demise.
All of Israel's enemies have been downgraded yet they still lost. They so far have failed in their objective to destroy Hamas
The hostage release fiasco demonstrates despite being seriously degraded Hamas is still playing Israel like a fiddle. Israel's reaction to 10/7 has resulted in them becoming a partial pariah state. Arguably with Trump, this might not matter for a while but the strongest anti-Israeli feeling is among the generation that will take power in 20 years. Jews by their support and association with Israel have received the blowback. Antisemites got their permission slip and with surging anti-zionism, they got a plausible explanation. Besides the public harassment and vandalism in some circles, Jewish-themed projects are seen as too risky.
The winner has been Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham(HTS) who was not involved in any way.
Excellent analysis.
Similar Topics | |
---|---|
Trump proposes U.S. control of Gaza |
17 Feb 2025, 5:07 am |
Israel and Hamas reach Gaza ceasefire and hostage release de |
Yesterday, 3:42 pm |