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i agree, rumio.

and i'm not a muslim, by the way. - all this "us against them" mentality is partly why aspies have such a hard time.

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and you know this how?



there's a big difference between being opposed to what's going on in the Middle East and blowing people up with suicide bombs


and by the CIA



and who had been trained, funded and backed by Western security forces to fight against the Soviets


I never heard of this, do you have a source?

You know what I find really scary? when I hear BlairBush and their cronies regurgitating the line about how these people are 'evil' and 'hate freedom' and want to destroy 'our way of life', and how about its nothing to do with Iraq (Palestine, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Kashmir...). That's what's scary - these are political acts, not religious and the longer the West tries to deny it the worse it will get. I read some early reports about what one of the guys they arrested was saying, (although who knows how accurate any of that is) but it was all about watching news footage of Iraq. People don't just sit around reading the Qu'ran and suddenly decide to go and set off bombs, they really don't. There's a reason and we need to wake up and do something about it.

couldn't have put it better myself.

it strikes me that - on any and all of these "controversial" threads (i.e., politics, religion, sexuality - that the nay-sayers rely on opinion and hearsay, and have little (if any) evidence to back this up.

just thought i'd mention it. but the thought of "knowing" what goes on behind closed doors did make me laugh out loud at how ridiculous it is, before i realised how serious the ramifications are.

all "isms"s are due to ignorance and fear.

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the people who live there want the right to decide their own affairs and live by their own values instead of being brutalised by The Superpower in its pursuance of its own corrupt, oil-based domination agenda



like I said, hopefully for the last time, there's a big difference between... you know what, I can't even be bothered to say it

my energy for this thread is running out but thanks for the support vv (you don't mind me calling you vv do you...? )

I suppose some people think they are being liberal by allowing religions to spread without challenge is doing away with the rights of those forced to live under religous communitys and others that are in danger of their lives by opposing religions. If the suicide bombers done 7/7 because of Iraq that doesnt make it any better as they were being sectarian then. You dont see many catholics that arent Irish joining the IRA or similar organizations. (not that im a fan of any religion, they are there to tell people how to live and take away their rights not re-inforce them) You didnt see the muslim world telling the west to stay out of it when they were acting against the serb government because of the atrocities in kosovo. I wonder why?

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Just because there are christians in the middle east doesnt mean that muslim countrys there and elsewhere dont make it hard for them. In pakistan for instance it isnt that unusual for bombs to go off or people get shot by muslims at christian places of worship. A lot of schools here are doing away with christian festivals, some street signs are being written in different languages in areas with a lot of asians and at least a quarter of the books in my local library are written in a different language. Looks like the west is accomedating different cultures to me then.

Nobody's saying violence and terrorism are good things or justifiable in any way and that religious fundamentalism is not a problem, but the picture is not as simple as some people would like to believe and the reasons they like to believe its simple is mostly to do with their own power and money. There are a lot of very unhappy Muslims in the world and a global solution in my view has to recognise that by and large there are some valid reasons for their unhappiness. Progress in Palestine would go a long way to alleviating some of the tension but maybe that's a whole other thread.

I agree that palestine is a problem that happened in that part of the world and the americans made it worse by financially and morally supporting Israel even when it was well outwith international law. The british pulling out of palestine without leaving any sort of estabelished government, and so leaving people to fight it out didnt help things either.

my pleasure. and i don't usually like my "name" being shortened (even my nickname), but "vv" is rather cute, so i'll let you get away with it

/me wanders about trying out the sound of "vv" to herself - mad as a bag of spoons.

serious post (hence separate from above).

i think that the discussions here show that nothing has a simple explanation, let alone a simple answer (i'm not even going near the word "solution"). i'd be surprised if anyone even knows everything about it. (and that includes me, by the way, which is why i'm always willing to listen). how could we?

thanks vetty

you don't mind me calling you...oh...



I'll get me coat

Someone should point out to you that (dum dum dummmmm) i am the omnipresent. Thats why i hate religions so much with their false gods and prophets.

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Who are you talking about?