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01 Nov 2007, 3:22 pm

KoiInAFrozenPond wrote:
In my opinion, males are in general more intelligent than females.....do you agree?

Males and females certainly think differently. But I don't believe males are generally smarter than females nor vice versa.



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01 Nov 2007, 4:55 pm

KoiInAFrozenPond wrote:
So what I can tell from your posts, is that you don´t agree with me at all, and thats cool.

Maybe I´m wrong, maybe black humans and white humans are just as "smart" then.


You are wrong.



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01 Nov 2007, 5:33 pm

Lol how could someone be more or less smart just because they look different?


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01 Nov 2007, 5:39 pm

And I wish the author of this thread could back up his theory about the correlation between pigmentation and intelligence...

I hate to be a hardass here, but the only thing worse than a completely illogical hypothesis is a blatantly offensive completely illogical hypothesis.



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01 Nov 2007, 7:39 pm

Phagocyte wrote:
And I wish the author of this thread could back up his theory about the correlation between pigmentation and intelligence...

I hate to be a hardass here, but the only thing worse than a completely illogical hypothesis is a blatantly offensive completely illogical hypothesis.


Only 3 posts from him total. I smell troll-ery.



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02 Nov 2007, 10:00 am

Skin color genetics doesn't change our species as a whole, and "interbreeding" is still a possibility. So we are all the same species, and are not much different. Evolutionwise, there is no such thing as "more evolved" in the sense of going up a ladder because being "more evolved" may mean being less adapted to other environments. I'd be curious to know how you explain why white males are "more evolved" if you could define that for me because you're only making statements here.

Please also define what you mean by "intelligent". It might be true that men generally are more logical than females, but females are generally better at socializing and are smarter at that sort of thing than men are. Again, that is only a general case. Aspie women, for example, might tend to be as good at math as other males are. And there are famous female mathematicians.


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03 Nov 2007, 8:40 am

KoiInAFrozenPond wrote:
In my opinion, males are in general more intelligent than females.....do you agree?


No.

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Womens (in general) are more driven by instinct than males.


Clearly, you've never been to a bar or a sporting event. No.

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males are more aware than females.


If anything, it's the reverse. Unless it is very obvious and has to do with either sex or their own (generally pointless) self-aggrandizement, most males tend to be aware of very little.

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I think asperger is caused by evolution and the fact that the human race is constantly getting "smarter" and more intelligent in all possible ways.


If anything, it's the reverse. Genetically speaking, the human gene pool is becoming progressively weaker, due to the fact that far more genetic defectives survive to breed than they used to.

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In my opinion, the white male is the most evolved creature on earth (do you agree?)


No. The white male is not the most evolved, he is merely more apt to be pathologically self-absorbed and largely indifferent to the difficulties his actions cause other people.

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the white male is therefore the creature that is most likely to develop aspergers syndrome.


See above.

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So basically my questions are, do you agree with me that males are in general more intelligent, smarter, more evolved compared to females in general?


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I have 1 more opinion/theory, I believe that white humans are more evolved than black humans, do you agree with that or do you disagree?


"More evolved" or "less evolved" are meaningless statements without an environmental context.



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03 Nov 2007, 9:44 am

If whites were genetically pre-disposed to be less criminal and more intelligent than black people, why are there poor white criminals? Shouldnt we all be rich as croeseus?

Who says dolphins are less smart than us? They spend all day swimming about, eating fish, playing and making more dolphins. Wheres the stupid in that? Sounds pretty intelligent to me. A life of infinite recreation, because you dont need to do anything else? Pinnacle of evolution methinks.


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03 Nov 2007, 5:31 pm

KoiInAFrozenPond wrote:
hi!


Let me tell you this, aspergers is far more common among males than females, that is an undeniable fact.

I´m a male myself and I do believe that I have Aspergers. I have not been diagnosed with it.


In my opinion, males are in general more intelligent than females.....do you agree?

Womens (in general) are more driven by instinct than males. In my opinion males are more evolved
than females and males are more aware than females.

On a side note, when i´m in a room for example, I can always tell when there is a woman there that is genetically in the top of the woman genetic spectrum, in other words, she´s "girl-y-girl-y" so to speak.

I think asperger is caused by evolution and the fact that the human race is constantly getting "smarter" and more intelligent in all possible ways.

In my opinion, the white male is the most evolved creature on earth (do you agree?)

the white male is therefore the creature that is most likely to develop aspergers syndrome.


So basically my questions are, do you agree with me that males are in general more intelligent, smarter, more evolved compared to females in general?

I know that females and males are different, so thats not my question. Also, I only hate females slightly more than males. (generally speaking) :roll:





I have 1 more opinion/theory, I believe that white humans are more evolved than black humans, do you agree with that or do you disagree?


this post is not made to offend anyone, to me this is burning questions that I have sought opinions on for a long time in my life.


Are people today to afraid to state that they believe white humans are more evolved than black humans because of political reasons, for example afraid of being labeled a racist?


What do you say people? I really would like to know you're opinions about this.... :D


sh**, Ive got a bad case of this disease........ :wink: ....kidding


when males dhow a genetic disorder more than females... it has to do with their inability to cover it up cause they only have one X chromosome (the disproportion is only for sexlinked diseases... which AS is not proven to be.)

men are not more evolved than females............ lol
in many species... females have successfully evolved to reproduce without men...... how's that for ya?

there is no easy way to just pin evolution of AS on one specific thing....... many things that evolve aren't even adaptive ("good") and just happen becuase there's no negative control for it... it happens because it can.... or that it is a tradeoff and having the disease (or whatever) in the population is better than the consequences of giving up the other possiblities


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03 Nov 2007, 6:07 pm

All human races and genders posses equal potential for intelligence.

With the exception of racists and misogynists.



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03 Nov 2007, 6:41 pm

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If whites were genetically pre-disposed to be less criminal and more intelligent than black people, why are there poor white criminals? Shouldnt we all be rich as croeseus?

Who says dolphins are less smart than us? They spend all day swimming about, eating fish, playing and making more dolphins. Wheres the stupid in that? Sounds pretty intelligent to me. A life of infinite recreation, because you dont need to do anything else? Pinnacle of evolution methinks.


Even more so are octopi, of an older phylum (I think that's the classification), the molluscs, who are considered quite intelligent. They've done some experiments on them, where they can use their tentacles to decode or unlock some tricky locks.


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03 Nov 2007, 10:41 pm

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Phagocyte wrote:
And I wish the author of this thread could back up his theory about the correlation between pigmentation and intelligence...

I hate to be a hardass here, but the only thing worse than a completely illogical hypothesis is a blatantly offensive completely illogical hypothesis.


Only 3 posts from him total. I smell troll-ery.


Joybob, everyone who is new to WrongPlanet has to start somewhere. I don’t think you’re being very tolerant. How about giving KoiInAFrozenPond the benefit of the doubt?

What’s more, KoiInAFrozenPond says he has AS. Phagocyte on the other hand is a neurotypical. On that basis – and I am giving Koi the benefit of the doubt here – Koi has more business being here than Phagocyte does.

So why do I suspect Koi is not a “troll”? Because he seems to have a firmer grasp of reality than some of the other posters on this thread.

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KoiInAFrozenPond wrote:
So what I can tell from your posts, is that you don´t agree with me at all, and thats cool.

Maybe I´m wrong, maybe black humans and white humans are just as "smart" then.


You are wrong.


Brilliantly argued, Phagocyte. Gosh, if only winning arguments were always that easy.



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03 Nov 2007, 10:41 pm

Look, people: race is real and racial differences are real. This has been the common-sense view for almost all of human history, and you will find it is still the common-sense view in non-white nations. There is overwhelming scientific evidence to support this view. It is only in Western nations from the 20th century onwards that it’s become fashionable to deny the reality of race.

So, first things first. I know it is currently fashionable to claim that race doesn’t even exist as a biological reality. It seems like a few posters on this thread agree with this claim. This claim is FALSE. The science exists that can ascertain a person’s race from a sample of their DNA.

There is an article that covers such scientific techniques at http://www.wired.com/science/discoverie ... 0/dnaprint called “The Inconvenient Science of Racial Profiling”.

Briefly, it’s about a molecular biologist who helped police track down a serial killer by ascertaining his race from a sample of DNA he had left behind. Before they let him test the DNA sample, the police gave him DNA samples from 20 people whose race they knew. He got every one correct. He then tested the DNA of the serial killer and told police they needed to look for an African-American. Up until that point they had been looking for a white man. When the police finally found their man, it turned out the molecular biologist had been correct again.



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03 Nov 2007, 10:43 pm

Ok, so race is a biological reality. Geneticists can ascertain a person’s race from their DNA. Now if you reject the liberal myth of the non-existence of race, there is still another liberal myth you might want to cling to: “race is real but the races don’t differ in any meaningful way, e.g., in average intelligence”.

This view is illogical, and there is substantial evidence against it. But the liberal race-deniers don’t want to know. How can one open their eyes? Perhaps it’s not enough simply to point them towards the scientific evidence. I think one needs to get them to question not merely the content of their prejudices, but everything that surrounds those prejudices. E.g., where did those prejudices come from? Whose agenda do they serve? Why do people find such beliefs so attractive?

Point One – if those that believe in racial differences are wrong, why must their views be suppressed? And they are suppressed, constantly and ruthlessly. Case in point: the Nobel-prize-winning geneticist, James Watson, who briefly mentioned racial differences in an interview, had his speaking tour cancelled and was suspended from his job.

Point Two – You will find that people who ignore politically correct orthodoxy and try to understand the world as it really is come to pretty much the same conclusions on matters of race and gender. These are, for example:

Blacks have lower IQ’s on average than whites, and whites have lower IQ’s on average than Orientals. The race with the highest average IQ is the Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazi Jews usually have higher verbal IQ’s than visuo-spatial IQ’s, which helps explain why they often excel in professions such as law. Orientals usually have higher visuo-spatial IQ’s than verbal IQ’s, which helps explain why they often excel at mathematics.
The average IQ’s of Men and women are pretty similar, but there is a much larger variation with men, meaning there are far more male geniuses than female geniuses, as well as there being far more very low-IQ men than very low-IQ women.

Now, if the above details are false, what is the likelihood of so many free thinkers arriving at these same conclusions? Answer: far lower than the likelihood of masses of people arriving at the far simpler, more comforting and more dreary conclusion that “we are all basically the same”.

And if you accept racial IQ differences, but you still want to cling to your comforting liberal illusions, you can always claim these IQ differences have nothing to do with genetics. But understand this – no race-realist actually claims that traits such as intelligence are 100% genetic. But every race-denier must believe that intelligence is 100% environmental. Thus it is the race-deniers who are the extremists, not the race-realists.



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03 Nov 2007, 10:47 pm

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Your pigmentation = intelligence correlation makes zero sense. Skin color is an evolutionary method of adaptation to areas of different sunlight, it has nothing to do with intelligence.


If different environments have selected for different skin pigmentations, don’t you think they will have selected for other traits as well?

I wish people would stop saying things like “skin colour has nothing to do with intelligence”. It is a straw man argument. What you should be concentrating on is not “skin colour”, but race. Different races have different average skin pigmentations. They also have different average IQ’s. Correlation does not equal causation. No one is suggesting, for instance, that white people’s IQ’s drop when they get a suntan.

You want a more detailed explanation for the correlation? It’s quite simple. Colder environments selected for lighter skin. Since surviving in colder environments is more cognitively demanding than surviving in warm environments, colder environments also selected for greater "general intelligence".

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Why do people always assume that all human races are equal? Where is the evidence for that theory?


Um, that the neurophysiology is identical?


And where is your evidence that “the neurophysiology” is identical? In fact, there is plenty of evidence that white brains are on average larger than black brains and on average smaller than Oriental brains.

See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entre ... stractPlus for instance.



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03 Nov 2007, 10:49 pm

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If whites were genetically pre-disposed to be less criminal and more intelligent than black people, why are there poor white criminals? Shouldnt we all be rich as croeseus?


This is a completely fallacious argument, yet race-deniers use variations of this argument over and over and over again. Maybe some people really don’t understand concepts such as averages. I suspect most, however, are just letting emotions cloud their judgement.

It’s like this. Black people have lower IQ’s than white people on average, but some black people have higher IQ’s than some white people.

Similarly, men are taller than women on average, but some women are taller than some men. It’s not complicated.

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Yeah, if you think white people are superior to anyone in any way, go take a trip down to the local tailor park.


Another version of the same fallacious argument.