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Is beating wives wrong?
I'm a conservative, and yes. 32%  32%  [ 15 ]
I'm a conservative, and no. 11%  11%  [ 5 ]
I'm a liberal, and yes. 49%  49%  [ 23 ]
I'm a liberal, and no. 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 47

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03 Nov 2007, 12:30 pm

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When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)


Of course, modern Christianity is against slavery and maltreatment, whereas modern Islam is for all kinds of maltreatment, up to and including murder of the "infidel". (See 9/11) Women have to be covered from head to toe, and walk behind their husbands everywhere they go. They do not have the right to be educated, or vote.

Also, please post an answer to the thread's question. What's your position on wife beating?


Wow. How many muslims do you know exactly? That's offensive. All my Muslim friends would agree with me there.


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03 Nov 2007, 1:02 pm

Personally I find the premise of this thread pretty offensive. Not so much because of the implications about a subset of Muslims, but because of the casual, joking treatment of an issue that would be better discussed outright, not veiled in sarcasm and irony. This is an asperger's site, Ragtime. Make your point clearly and openly. I have no idea what you're trying to get at here, nor what sort of reaction you expected to get from your fellow members.


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03 Nov 2007, 1:34 pm

What's the opinion on husband beating?



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03 Nov 2007, 2:41 pm

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Of course, modern Christianity is against slavery and maltreatment


HA! That's a laugh! What modern book shall we use as a guide to modern christianity? the 'new' testament? so, can we throw the whole 'old' testament away?
I thought you had better knowledge concerning anything new or old with either christianity or islam. Your statements here show otherwise.

btw.. i do not believe in beating a wife, a child or a husband... in a physical sense... at tennis, checkers, or something similar... I'M ALL FOR IT! :D

For psych...
the idea that anyone from Texas or 'Texas' as a living, thinking, acting entity is absurd and this sort of stereotyping is a joke.
There are plenty of people... political and not... living in Texas who do not believe in violence towards anyone, let alone family members.


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03 Nov 2007, 3:02 pm

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wsmac wrote:
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Of course, modern Christianity is against slavery and maltreatment


HA! That's a laugh! What modern book shall we use as a guide to modern christianity? the 'new' testament? so, can we throw the whole 'old' testament away?


...is pretty funny when contrasted with this part:

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For psych...
the idea that anyone from Texas or 'Texas' as a living, thinking, acting entity is absurd and this sort of stereotyping is a joke.
There are plenty of people... political and not... living in Texas who do not believe in violence towards anyone, let alone family members.


Seems like you're saying that all Christians are the same, but we shouldn't dare apply that standard when judging Texans. :wink:


I think we get into trouble when we stereotype any large, complex group of people based upon the actions or words of a smaller group therein. It's lazy scholarship--but then, that's what makes the world go 'round, isn't it?


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03 Nov 2007, 3:26 pm

Who could criticize Texas? After all, it gave the USA a great president.



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03 Nov 2007, 3:35 pm

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Who could criticize Texas? After all, it gave the USA a great president.


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03 Nov 2007, 3:53 pm

Well, I sorta liked Lyndon Johnson. Bush I could do without.



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03 Nov 2007, 3:56 pm

alex wrote:
Ragtime wrote:

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When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)


Of course, modern Christianity is against slavery and maltreatment, whereas modern Islam is for all kinds of maltreatment, up to and including murder of the "infidel". (See 9/11) Women have to be covered from head to toe, and walk behind their husbands everywhere they go. They do not have the right to be educated, or vote.

Also, please post an answer to the thread's question. What's your position on wife beating?


Wow. How many muslims do you know exactly? That's offensive. All my Muslim friends would agree with me there.

Probably he was talking about muslims with the image of middle east regimes in mind, but, what about muslims who live in western countries?


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03 Nov 2007, 3:57 pm

I guess we should get back to talking about wife beating.

But are you really 81 years old, Sand?


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03 Nov 2007, 3:59 pm

Until next February when I turn 82 but I'm young at heart - at least until I turn 1085.



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03 Nov 2007, 4:20 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Of course, modern Christianity is against slavery and maltreatment, whereas modern Islam is for all kinds of maltreatment, up to and including murder of the "infidel". (See 9/11) Women have to be covered from head to toe, and walk behind their husbands everywhere they go. They do not have the right to be educated, or vote.

Modern christianity is against all of that, meaning things were like that before, right? At the time of Moses and at the time of Paul. That seems to contradict a claim you made about the "truth" being always the same, the whole time. ;)

And as someone said before here, probably you were thinking about the middle east, but there is islam everywhere, with different views.


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03 Nov 2007, 5:28 pm

gwenevyn wrote:
Personally I find the premise of this thread pretty offensive. Not so much because of the implications about a subset of Muslims, but because of the casual, joking treatment of an issue that would be better discussed outright, not veiled in sarcasm and irony. This is an asperger's site, Ragtime. Make your point clearly and openly. I have no idea what you're trying to get at here, nor what sort of reaction you expected to get from your fellow members.


i take offense to the joking he makes about sexuality.... claiming he's experienced true homosexual attraction and that god has helped him transcend it.

it's a slap in the face to all homo sexual christians (and non-christians) who truly do struggle with these desires on a daily basis.

maybe his thai girl thread is an attempt to abate these suppressed feelings.


i know he is not for wife beating... and perhaps he posted this because he's appalled by it... but he does seem to share some views with these people... about women and how they should be treated.

i think putting the pole as he did was kinda crass. but w/e... im sure all wifebeaters out there do have some sort of justification at the time, whether or not they would vote yes


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03 Nov 2007, 5:38 pm

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...the Saudi way.

(I voted that it's wrong, by the way. I'm not a Muslim, and I don't believe in wife beating.)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307680,00.html

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Move over, Dr. Phil, there's a new relationship expert in town.

He's Saudi author and cleric, "Dr." Muhammad Al-'Arifi, who in a remarkable segment broadcast on Saudi and Kuwaiti television in September, counseled young Muslim men on how to treat their wives.

"Admonish them – once, twice, three times, four times, ten times," he advised. "If this doesn't help, refuse to share their beds."

And if that doesn't work?

"Beat them," one of his three young advisees responded.

"That's right," Al-'Arifi said.

Click here to view the segment at MEMRITV.org

He goes on to calmly explain to the young men that hitting their future wives in the face is a no-no.

"Beating in the face is forbidden, even when it comes to animals," he explained. "Even if you want your camel or donkey to start walking, you are not allowed to beat it in the face. If this is true for animals, it is all the more true when it comes to humans. So beatings should be light and not in the face."

His final words of wisdom?

"Woman, it has gone too far. I can't bear it anymore," he tells the men to tell their wives. "If he beats her, the beatings must be light and must not make her face ugly.

"He must beat her where it will not leave marks. He should not beat her on the hand... He should beat her in some places where it will not cause any damage. He should not beat her like he would beat an animal or a child -- slapping them right and left.

"Unfortunately, many husbands beat their wives only when they get mad, and when they start beating, it as if they are punching a wall – they beat with their hands, right and left, and sometimes use their feet. Brother, it is a human being you are beating. This is forbidden. He must not do this."



interesting...why haven't we bombed the sauds yet? i mean we've bombed all the innocent parts of the middle east...why not the bad one for once. pakistan and saudi arabia...both of those bastards.



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03 Nov 2007, 5:52 pm

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i think putting the pole as he did was kinda crass. but w/e... im sure all wifebeaters out there do have some sort of justification at the time, whether or not they would vote yes


In my experience, violence is all about the perpetrator's psychological problems. The "justifications" they give range from bizarre to self-serving to utterly fabricated. But yeah, most wife-beaters are guys who don't think they'd do it.

I want to know who these people are who are voting "no, it's not wrong." Maybe it's time to decrease the surplus population. :wink: Kidding, kidding...


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