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I hope the NRA shows up in droves. The loss of our 2nd amendment = the loss of our ability to defend ourselves from government intrusion.

oh, I meant to type that in response to skafather's post about the 2nd amendment.

I am in Canada, so I am safe for a while. Having a multiparty system will save our skins in the long run. But eventually we will suffer the terrible fate of america too....

A couple of years or so ago I got on this forum talking about this and everyone laughed at me I'm not sure if any of the same people are here now because that has been some time, but it's refreshing to see people can at least see this isn't some silly tin foil hat theory now.

As much as I despise the Bush administration, a bunch of irate citizens sporting rifles, pistols, shotguns and slingshots does not seem to me very likely to save the nation.

You are right, we need an unlikely band of heroes, brought together by fate, who will use their quirky abilities to save the nation and whose story will later be used to make a cheesy comedy.

Or better yet we can go hide under the sewers and become mole people

Sand, I know this is one of those rare occassions where AG and I actually agree on something, but yeah I think we were both being sarcastic, well I know I was.

Ditto. However, most Americans do not believe that anything truly bad can happen to this country as if it is somehow exempt from the simple historical patterns, which are those of nature itself (i.e. conception, birth, growth, apex, decline, and death.)

The United States will go the way of the Roman, Mongol, Spanish, French, and British Empires. To use that often used (yet very true) quote, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." In my view people will always repeat the mistakes of the past because they cannot understand anything but their personal Eternal Now.

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Even better!! We shall hide there and curse the surfacers!! Eventually we, the mole people, will overwhelm the surfacers!!



I was not really saying much to agree or disagree with as I am not taking much of a stand. I guess you could argue that we both agreed that sarcasm was necessary.

Definately.

If advocates of becoming mole people want to see where that might lead, they should read H.G.Wells' story "The Time Machine".

Yeah, but it is not JUST America though, corporate interests and big international businesses are taking over, everywhere. In Europe, UK, Canada, America, Russia, Mexico, Japan, China, Australia, everywhere. And this is the threat of globalization, a world wide police state, one world, one nation, where the people are slaves.... Think George Orwell "1984"

It'll all be united under the UN banner, the super nation..... The "one world nation" of the "anti-christ", who likely works in the Vatican Church. I think theyr trying to fulfill their own prophecies to scare and brow beat dissenters into joining the cult (religion, more particularly Christianity), as a way of playing the gullible and stringing them along.....

I think that a large part of that is simply nationalism, however, it is not inexcusable to think that we are in a new age where complete destruction will never happen to any nation as this world is historically different. There are distinctions between this world and the one of past empires.

The US will not be able to eternally be the superpower. I also can understand the wisdom of your position as I will admit that I could simply be too optimistic about the future. Human beings are bound by their intellectual limitations; the notion that we are truly rational beings seems absurd given our seemingly millions of biases.



In the international age if one of the great nations collapses the others will be bound to fall. I do not see the corporations themselves as capable of implementing the "One Nation", the corporatist, international state is what I see as the potential problem.


I can sort of see a UN-like body in control of the world order you speak of. I don't see it as being tied to the Vatican necessarily though and would likely think that the headquarters would be in a neutral-ish European area. I also don't see it using Christianity as many Christians fear the world state, but rather I would see it negating Christianity and being built on a secular cult as I see the modern terror state as trying to seem "rationalist" while attacking Christians as mystics. The world state would likely be built upon a liberal-seeming but truly totalitarian variant of progressivism where all sorts of unimportant freedoms are tolerated but those that threaten the state and I would more likely see this as like "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. At least if I were to argue for an evil future world order.

I will definitely agree with you about the distinctions between past and present empires. Today's empires have an especially large reach due to technology and are not necessarily constrained by geographical limitations. As you say, we are in a new age where any nation that has nuclear weapons (or other destructive technologies) can destroy their enemies or the entire world in a heartbeat.

American nationalism, as you mentioned, makes the U.S. so myopic at times that most Americans are unwilling to believe that the United States can truly be harmed. 11 September 2001 should have been a wake-up call to the U.S., but instead it has simply turned into another instance of American power gone awry. It is just remarkable that a country founded on the universalist principles of the Enlightenment is one of the most dictatorial nations on Earth.