America saved from another nativity scene!

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If you are truly for religions having access to public resources, and you truly are for a tolerance (fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose religions differ from one's own) then I don't see how you could not create a free-for-all situation.

Offensive is often in the eyes of the beholder. While Thomas Jefferson said it didn't affect him whether his neighbor believed in 1 God or 20, there are plenty of monotheists out there that would be offended by large statues of Ganesh, Krishna, Shiva and Lakshmi in the town square. Not because there is anything inherently offensive, but because it is a religion that they do not believe in. Christians would whine that there is no reason that Christians should have to put up with such idolatry on government property.



Not a reflection on what you said, but related to the typical religious group that wants to put up their own symbols, but they certainly don't want to allow other religions to put their symbols up. I have never heard of Christians who want to put up a nativity scene champion the rights of other religions to put their symbols up in the same public spaces. And usually, it is a case of minorities being denied the same opportunities. Which smacks of establishing a religion of the majority, to the detriment of the minority.




I agree - there should be a free market in religion. Government should not pick winners and losers, either in the sense of banning or supporting/subsidizing any religion. And the demand that government resources be granted to some religions is an affront to this type of freedom. It is a demand that a particular set of practices be elevated above the others - that all religions are equal, but some are more equal.



Yes, it is our servant, but it cannot and should not do anything and everything that all groups demand. Especially if meeting those demands would result in favoritism towards one religion. I think if local government does things like provide police, fire, courts, and education, religion can take care of itself. If there are 2 people in a particular religious group, they can meet in a house. If there are thousands, they can buy a grand building with a large lot in a prominent location and put up all the decorations and symbols they want. No need for 'our servant' to deal with religious matters at all.

I dont want christian bull s**t pushed on me
I am a wiccan
I don't beleive in Jesus or that nativity scene
good on them
no one should have religion crammed down they're throats

Holy sheet! I didn't know it was so many. Who knows but that one of those babies could have grown up to be the doctor or scientist who found the cure for cancer.

Political correctness has reared its ugly head yet again. The episode of South Park with Hankey the Christmas Poo was a perfect example of what happens when attempts are made to celebrate Christmas without offending anybody. In the end, everybody got offended with the compromise.

Bonus points for quoting South Park!

I don't pay attention to nativity scenes.

Tim

America is depraved. If America and Europe are destroyed, I won't shed a tear. People are naturally heartless savages, and without religion they have no moral compass at all.

There is no greater honor than wearing the martyr's crown. But perhaps, if Atheists gain power, instead of willing deaths we should learn a lesson from our Islamic brothers.

can someone please just ban this troll already?

That's about the silliest thing I've ever read.

and just a point on the topic as a whole:

if all you're concerned about is some stupid nativity scene, your finger is far away from the pulse of important issues and shoved deeply up your ass.

think it's a separation of church and state deal

not like x-mas means that much (it's sooooo comercialized now)

im not a christian... but am not offended by it's original placing...

but to play devils advocate.... would they have allowed for displays from other religions on the government property... side by side with the nativity scene?

Ya, I was just saying I don't think it's a big deal either way, as in: Don't put it there, but if you find it there, don't scream and holler like it's some emergency.

I'm not for the government endorsing anything -- I'm for them staying out of things. I'm the "small government" proponent. My basic attitude toward government is: "I can take care of myself, thank you. In fact, what are you doing here anyway? Make yourself useful, or shrink yourself down and stop wasting my taxes."

I dont want to see a nativity scene's at Yule

Interesting thread.

And you also brought up abortion to show the "hypocrisy" of people who are against circumsicion, nice work!

I don't know, but this sounds like an intolerant attitude.

Last edited by greenblue on 14 Nov 2007, 8:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

yes people are allowed to express the relligion in public, but congress isn't allowed to establish a religion for the people which is why this display was disallowed. That's a right given to all people by the US constitutiuon and is no doubt why those michigan residents who choose to act o another right given to them by our government the right to vote, nixed the idea.. Sure you don't like it because its your religions display tha was taken down ,but how would you like it if it were a display for a religion that went agianst almost every aspect of your religion that you valued?

Further, if you truly think its valubable to have this display, and aren't doing it just to insult other religions, or show off an air of "my religion is better than yous" then why do you even care about having it at city hall instead of across the street in the first place? After all, if its located across the street it would serve the same purpose there.

That's true, but also, one of those potential babies could have grown up to be a mass murderer, a rapist, a terrorist. 50/50.