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how I took it or would take it
I mean like 6 days-maybe in Heaven 6 days means 6 billion years

OR

it said something else and the idiots in the middle ages ruined it
Christianity was VERY different 1500 years ago-they cut a third out of the bible so it really makes no sence

I'm still not sure what you're getting at, I'm sorry What's this whole relationship thing, and how's the epic of Gilgamesh important?

Are you referring to the Reformation and the 1546 Council of Trent where the Apocrypha (or "deuterocanonical writings") were accepted by the Catholic Church in response to teachings of Martin Luther? Or what event in 500 AD are you referring to? Council of Nicea? What?

You say that was after the reformation movement started? I first thought that, that was done before that.

I like the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, the best

it was a generalization
I didn't mean literally 1500 years ago
my point is...in the middle ages-the christians began to chage the bible (translating it over and over) changing things-removing the sex, the violence, anything that would make God look less perfect and powerful
I don't beleive any deity is perfect, mine certainly aren't and neither is God
at this time they also made the image of satan (it is never said what he looks like in the bible) they used pagan gods like Pan and Cernunnos to create his "image".
The crusades and the pagan slaughters...
Christianity lost it in the middle ages
and now (especially catholosism) has completely lost touch with people these days.
Point being-the bible, even if the stories are true or not, they are just stories
I think it is just to learn from, not to be taken literaly
like the 7 day thing
we think its 7 of our days because we don't know what "heaven" is really like
Heaven's day could be a billion of our years...
the way our earth was made took millions of years-evolution-etc

This wouldn't be possible, considering that there are thousands of manuscripts dating before that time still in existence, the earliest dating as soon as 70 years after the events took place. Any changes made would most certainly have been corrected by now.

no, even if it was
the church took stuff out
the middle ages ruined christianity

take the Koran, its never really been translated because it didn't need to be
they didn't have the problem christianity did

Cinderella still wears a glass slipper.

[quote]Sand wrote:
That someone of reasonable intelligence can literally accept the words of the Bible which are so totally in conflict with the discovered evidence as to the creation and age of the universe is, to me, simply astounding.


If so many people believe the Bible, and that fact is really "astounding" to you, I guess the logical indication is that you need to open your mind more until you understand why.Sand wrote:
That someone of reasonable intelligence can literally accept the words of the Bible which are so totally in conflict with the discovered evidence as to the creation and age of the universe is, to me, simply astounding.


If so many people believe the Bible, and that fact is really "astounding" to you, I guess the logical indication is that you need to open your mind more until you understand why.



My comment: My mind is open enough to accept that the reason for this is a strong indication as to why the world is in such terrible shape.

Even if they did, there are still much older, more original, and very much abundant manuscripts that could be consulted for accuracy.

yes but MANY are missing...we don't have it all

There's about 5400 documented. Next leading document is Homer's "The Iliad," I believe, at 643.

How would Noah have fitted really big animals on the ark, like hippos and elephants and giraffes and wouldn't it have got pretty smelly after 40 days?

The actual question we should be asking is 'who wrote Genesis?', because the word genesis means beginning. There is no record as to who actually wrote those passages, same as there is no record of who many of the other people the gospels are referring to. The bible was put together fromn the writing of many of these people, and a lot of it borrowed from either pagan or Greek or other legend, and it was Constantine who commissioned the version that we know of today between 312 and 327 CE. Selected books were left out because they didn't fit in with the church's view on what people should be tought, and the 16th century reformation further reinforced those views. Who witnessed the events that were told to us in Genesis? How much reliance can be put on the words that were passed down through the years until they were put to print? How much were the translations bastardized from the original writings to what we have now? If anyone can come up with some hard evidence to answer those questions, then maybe we could get somewhere. Otherwise, it all seems like a big game of Chinese whispers.

"Mankind is the only special creation"