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02 Dec 2007, 3:47 pm

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It can get better, if only we had a skilled leader who actually knew what to do and had the balls to go through with it, in the best interests of the British people and no others.

Nick Griffin would be that man!



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02 Dec 2007, 4:56 pm

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It can get better, if only we had a skilled leader who actually knew what to do and had the balls to go through with it, in the best interests of the British people and no others.

Nick Griffin would be that man!


You can't be serious. Racism and intolerance is counter to the best interests of society.


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02 Dec 2007, 5:25 pm

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Isn't he supposed to be an aspie?

He does seem to exhibit some AS traits, and much as I dislike Brown I do feel rather guilty when I watch videos of him being ridiculed knowing that. However, I don't think it would be possible for someone to have diagnosable AS and be a successful politician.


Tim Fischer was deputy PM here a few years ago, he has two kids with autism and stated (in middle age, after finding out his kids had autism) that he believed he had some type of it. I think a lot of the yank founding father types are conjectured to be AS. The naive idealism thing, I suppose.

He's a bit of a Dudley Do-Right isn't he, Brown?



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03 Dec 2007, 1:43 pm

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...Racism and intolerance is counter to the best interests of society.

Really? I think a little intolerance would go a long way if that were in the form of stopping the flood of immigrants who've piled into this country to bleed us dry. As for racism, if by that you mean acknowledging that white indigenous Britains have as much right to practice their religion and customs as the aforementioned immigrants, then I'm all for it.



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03 Dec 2007, 2:28 pm

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Tim Fischer was deputy PM here a few years ago, he has two kids with autism and stated (in middle age, after finding out his kids had autism) that he believed he had some type of it. I think a lot of the yank founding father types are conjectured to be AS. The naive idealism thing, I suppose.

He's a bit of a Dudley Do-Right isn't he, Brown?

It would seem reasonable that that Fischer chap showed some AS traits given his kids are autistic. In fact, my father and brother show some, but I really don't think they have diagnosable AS as they both have (or had in father's case as he's retired) senior management positions in large companies that require the kind of interpersonal skills beyond most of us. Having said that, I do know that exceptionally some people with AS do hold certain management positions, and so I suppose it's possible that if the observable deficits used to diagnose are weighted away from the social impairment angle then an individual might survive the political arena; but that does seem a little unlikely, IMO.

As for Dudley Do-right, he was a little before my time, but I looked him up and yes there are some similarities. Brown can be rather self-righteous. However, more obviously, he's a hypocrite, a thief, and a liar, which does take the shine off things a little. Of course, chicanery and corruption is the stock-in-trade of our political elite, but Brown, having been a key part of the regime for ten years, has had time to become a grand-master of those political arts we all despise.



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03 Dec 2007, 3:36 pm

ascan wrote:
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...Racism and intolerance is counter to the best interests of society.

Really? I think a little intolerance would go a long way if that were in the form of stopping the flood of immigrants who've piled into this country to bleed us dry. As for racism, if by that you mean acknowledging that white indigenous Britains have as much right to practice their religion and customs as the aforementioned immigrants, then I'm all for it.


Border control, and standing up for indigenous British culture I support completely. BNP-style intolerance and discrimination I do not.


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05 Dec 2007, 3:09 am

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Border control, and standing up for indigenous British culture I support completely. BNP-style intolerance and discrimination I do not.

To succeed in the former requires a degree of the latter, Anubis. You really should try and think outside the straightjacket that is the liberal paradigm. What's your opinion on the BNP policy of encouraging immigrants to return home?



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05 Dec 2007, 2:24 pm

i'll be so happy when george is out and the new guy is in. have you guys see in the news that iran hasnt done anythingnuclear since 2003? and look at george over here wanting to go to war with them. dudes crazy



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06 Dec 2007, 3:54 pm

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...i'll be so happy when george is out and the new guy is in. have you guys see in the news that iran hasnt done anythingnuclear since 2003? and look at george over here wanting to go to war with them. dudes crazy

US intelligence indicates Iran stopped their weapons programme in 2003. However, Iran clearly has the technology to develop nuclear weapons, and intelligence is not always perfect. Therefore they will still be perceived as a threat by the US, and many other nations. Furthermore, if Iran does have a desire for nuclear weapons would it not be prudent for them to wait until the US has an emasculated liberal leadership before continuing with development?



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06 Dec 2007, 4:11 pm

hm. maybe but i dont think they care that much do you?



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06 Dec 2007, 4:35 pm

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hm. maybe but i dont think they care that much do you?

I reckon they care. Do you think their leadership wants to be attacked by the US or Israel? They get the best of both worlds as things are: they can paint the US as the evil aggressor on the basis of George's rhetoric (that gives them kudos with their people), whilst keeping their infrastructure intact. When a liberal US administration gets in they'll up the ante as there will be a new, higher, threshold for US action. That new status quo may enable them to restart nuclear weapons development, maintain the perception of the US as the evil aggressor, and keep their infrastructure intact. As for Israel attacking, whether they do, and the force they use, is likely to be linked to the US position.



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06 Dec 2007, 5:39 pm

ascan wrote:
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Border control, and standing up for indigenous British culture I support completely. BNP-style intolerance and discrimination I do not.

To succeed in the former requires a degree of the latter, Anubis. You really should try and think outside the straightjacket that is the liberal paradigm. What's your opinion on the BNP policy of encouraging immigrants to return home?


I beg your pardon, but I am in no straightjacket, I just have certain moral standards. I think that families who are established and successful here are not the problem, but the people who have loads of kids and end up being harmful to society. I would agree that deportation of useless, skilless asylum seekers and much stricter immigration quotients would do the trick. Britain can't expand by 20 million, no way. I am not against deportation, but I am against the vicious intolerance and racism that's often displayed by the average working class BNP supporter. There's a difference between putting your own nation first and racism.


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07 Dec 2007, 1:05 am

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. There's a difference between putting your own nation first and racism.


That's what I try to tell the PC idiots here in America who try to make illegal immigration into a race issue here. The right gives the left credibility because they actually ARE racist, but the issue isn't a race issue. The left has this attitude that if you object to being robbed your "racist". But as I've long said the only major ideological and behavioral difference between the right wing and left wing are merely that the right wing is prejudiced against minorities (ethnics, females, gays, non-christians) whereas the left is prejudiced against majorities (whites, males, straights, christians).



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07 Dec 2007, 6:30 am

Quite true. PC brigade will cry "offensive and intolerant" at anything that represents British or Christian tradition, or anything that draws humour from a minority, or promotes an idea or habit which is considered politically incorrect. It's all bullcrap, and most of it comes from the left-wing.


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07 Dec 2007, 12:20 pm

Well it's all divide and conquor, weak minded people need someone to think for them.... They've got no since of self identity, so they latch onto a label. Similar to how high school students do. From there their emotions are easily manipulated, and if logic tells them their label is wrong somewhere they will forsake logic. It's like they feel that their label HAS to always be right. It's truely sad we live in "civilizations" composed of over-grown 13 yr olds.



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07 Dec 2007, 1:15 pm

Many kids can't think critically and rationally anymore. God knows what this and the next generation will turn into. Much more "educated", perhaps, but also incapable of free thought to a large extent.

There is indeed a big divide in the USA between "liberal" and "conservative". But it's been that way for ages, and at least the major parties have certain foundation ideas, unlike the UK's chameleons.


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