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iamnotaparakeet
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13 Dec 2007, 1:03 am

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Imagine if we had a time machine to go back and see if all things that are said to be true are actually true or whatever it is, could that change things a lot?

And if the Bible turned out to be accurate, then what do you do?

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13 Dec 2007, 1:04 am

I'd burn it :twisted:

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13 Dec 2007, 1:15 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

greenblue wrote:

Imagine if we had a time machine to go back and see if all things that are said to be true are actually true or whatever it is, could that change things a lot?

And if the Bible turned out to be accurate, then what do you do?

That's the thing, that was the question if it turns out to be something, whatever it is, how society would take it? not too pretty worldwiide I believe, and causing so much controversy, wether if the Bible or the Q'ran or any other sacred text turns out to be accurate, or if they could be finally considered mythology due to proof them otherwise, if that was the other result from it. (in which case, that would be a reason for being a forbidden subject, something banned due to controversy, although that may be the case with whatever the result is)

Now this sounds more like an interesting science fiction story

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13 Dec 2007, 5:37 am

No, the Christians would end up dying out of pure dispair.

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13 Dec 2007, 7:21 pm

But if the bible has many contradictions, and it's already been shown that the Earth isn't flat (if that's what it says), how could the bible possibly be true?

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14 Dec 2007, 12:13 am

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White noise mostly.... you also can't disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Does that mean that you are prepared to accept the posibility that FSM DOES exist?

Chew on that one for a bit and tell me what you think.

Do you believe everything Richard Dawkins says?

No, because that's what a religious zealot would do.

R.D. makes good arguments. you should read the god delusion if you haven't already.

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14 Dec 2007, 3:49 pm

jfrmeister wrote:

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Do you believe everything Richard Dawkins says?

No, because that's what a religious zealot would do.

R.D. makes good arguments. you should read the god delusion if you haven't already.

It seems to me that you treat Richard Dawkins like an atheist prophet and are overtly zealous about disseminating his ideas to others.

I am well aware of Richard Dawkins' arguments both from his books and from his TV interviews. I do not agree with him.

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15 Dec 2007, 11:29 am

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It seems to me that you treat Richard Dawkins like an atheist prophet and are overtly zealous about disseminating his ideas to others.

No, if theres an "Atheist Prophet" that I would be zealous about, it would be Christopher Hitchens.

Richard Dawkins, like myself, is simply tired of the 2,000 year free ride that religious BS has benefited from. The claims of the religious deserve the same treatment as those who believe in alien abductions, bigfoot, and the Lochness monster.

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I am well aware of Richard Dawkins' arguments both from his books and from his TV interviews. I do not agree with him.

What are the fallacies with his arguments??

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15 Dec 2007, 12:06 pm

If God can't be proven, why believe in Him? That makes no sense.

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15 Dec 2007, 1:32 pm

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If God can't be proven, why believe in Him? That makes no sense.

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05 Jan 2008, 9:29 pm

Prove it to whom?

If the question is should Christians attempt to prove the existence of God to other people, I would say no. What does it matter what other people believe? If the question is relevant to the way one lives his life whoever is holding the incorrect opinion is the one who is going to suffer for it, and if one needs to be reassured by other people agreeing with him it shows a lack of faith in himself as well as God.

Now if the question is prove it to yourself, that is something else; but I'm not sure I would want to discuss it in public.

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05 Jan 2008, 10:16 pm

I think we should look at different beliefs and compare them to see which one has the most evidence to support it. I don't think proving God's existence (if it were possible) would be beneficial because you would still have to compare religions to see which one (if any) is right.

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05 Jan 2008, 10:20 pm

Capriccio wrote:

If God can't be proven, why believe in Him? That makes no sense.

This question has no sense,if you mean that by denying the evidence of God,we should not believe in him...

If there is proof for God,then we should believe in him.
If P then Q

There is no proof for God,therefore we should not believe in him.
Not P therefore not Q

This is logical fallacy,a.k.a "Denying the antecedent"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent

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Denying the antecedent is a formal fallacy, committed by reasoning in the form:

If P, then Q.
Not P.
Therefore, not Q.

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05 Jan 2008, 10:26 pm

Accurate? How can the bible be accurate? No dates, no times, no names.

I've actually read it, instead of just hearing from other humans that its the word of god.

Excuse me the word of the entire universe and all beyond would make my brain explode.

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05 Jan 2008, 10:31 pm

Scintillate wrote:

What bible has to do with 'evidence for God'?

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05 Jan 2008, 10:40 pm

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How can the bible be accurate? No dates, no times, no names.

The Bible has dates, times and names. I've constructed a timeline starting with Adam. It says how long people lived, how long judges ruled, how long kingdoms lasted, etc. It matches up with history. There are names of several cities that archaeologists have found. The History Channels has shows on historical evidence for the Bible. I watched one showing evidence that Moses crossed the Reed Sea. They had another one on the plagues of ancient Egypt showing that the events could have occurred just like it's written in the Bible. All this is evidence that the Bible is a reliable history book and makes it more believable that the other stuff mentioned in the Bible is true.

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