Should spreading the HIV virus be considered Murder?

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monty
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09 Jan 2008, 5:51 pm

There are people out there with open marriages (they allow each other to sleep outside the marriage). This is not so common, and I don't think it would work for most people. But if that is how people want to define their marriage contract, I don't think that I should have a say.



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09 Jan 2008, 6:06 pm

monty wrote:
There are people out there with open marriages (they allow each other to sleep outside the marriage). This is not so common, and I don't think it would work for most people. But if that is how people want to define their marriage contract, I don't think that I should have a say.

I know, I was merely trying to avoid that statement though.



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09 Jan 2008, 9:00 pm

Sometimes.

Depending if the person who is spreading the virus is listed on the county registry and is knowingly spreading the virus by having unsafe sex.



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10 Jan 2008, 2:52 am

If it is intentional and can be proven then yes, it should be taken as murder.


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10 Jan 2008, 3:13 am

this is very interesting , and i agree with the post above me.

i have a way to end aids.

test every single human....yes it will take years
tattoo something on people's body that would say they have aids. like a red ribbon on his hand or something like that. so no one has sex with them but other infected people.



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10 Jan 2008, 11:01 am

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And what about the poor sod who didn't even know that they had it until it's too late for the next poor sod that they've passed it onto?? Unless the person knew that they had HIV/AIDS, they're innocent.


Then there should be periodic blood tests for everyone, not only looking for HIV/AIDS but other dangerous pathogens as well. Those with contagious diseases which can and do greatly reduce peoples' lifespans should be quarantined.



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10 Jan 2008, 12:24 pm

off topic... but scary none the less... even with legal prostitution when they periodically get tested... it's like a 4 month gap to where they can even detect HIV from contracting it... so why people still go there..... i have no idea.


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10 Jan 2008, 12:32 pm

They first need to prove that HIV causes AIDS. People without HIV get AIDS and some people have been HIV positive for over 15 years and are in perfect health. The only reason people believe the HIV-AIDS connection is because the government will only fund research into HIV and won't spend a dime studying AIDS (all AIDS research is directed at HIV, no money is spent on non-HIV causes of AIDS). I believe HHV-6, Variant A has been shown to reduce CD4 T-cell counts and cause the immune system damage and symptoms found in AIDS but HIV has never been shown to do this. I don't think there's any evidence that anti-HIV drugs are effective. Nutritional supplements probably accounts for people with AIDS being healthier and living longer. Drugs such as Valcyte that treat HHV-6a are showing promise in treating AIDS. Unfortunately, a prior drug called Ampligen that showed promise in AIDS/CFS was banned by the FDA for no apparent reason.



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10 Jan 2008, 2:54 pm

Note to awesomelyglorious: If you don't wear a seatbelt, it isn't just you who could potentially be injured, you can also very easily kill someone else in the car when your body plows into their head at x-mph. I've seen more car crash pictures than I care to think and usually when someone isn't wearing a seatbelt they end up hurting others in the car as well as themselves. Just something to think about.



And back on topic!!


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10 Jan 2008, 4:09 pm

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1949841

HIV causes AIDS. There are other immunodefficiency syndromes that are not caused by HIV, but HIV causes AIDS; the evidence is pretty unambiguous.

Circumcision dramatically lowers the risk of both contracting and passing on HIV, because the forskin is rich in the immune cells that are a target for that virus; normally these cells help to protect against sexually spread infections, but their presence is a weakness in the case of HIV. However, with enough risky behavior (or even just bad luck), circumcised men can still contract and pass on HIV.

Plague bacterium attacks the same receptors that HIV virus does; in areas that plague swept through, people who were naturally resistant to plague due to a mutated version of that cellular surface receptor were more likely to survive and form founder populations after the plague. People who are resistant to plague are also resistent to HIV, and survive longer with the virus than those who have normal versions of this receptor protien. European people from areas particularly hard-hit by the plague are more likely to have the mutation that makes them resistent to both diseases than European people from areas less hard-hit by the plague, but as there's been a lot of intermarrying since the black death, descent from a plagued population is nowhere near a guarantee that one isn't suceptible to HIV. There are a lot of areas in the world other than Europe that have seen plague (it's endemic in the American south west), but I haven't seen any studies on whether the people in those areas also carry resistant forms of the receptor protien in question.



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10 Jan 2008, 5:12 pm

Zendell,

Your immune system can break down for various reasons. But ...

99.999+% of people infected with HIV will experience a progressive breakdown of their immune system a few years after infection unless they undergo antiviral therapy.

Conspiracy theories aren't really useful for dealing with this problem. I worked in a lab that discovered the first 'slow' virus - the sheep virus that causes visna disease. Like HIV, it is an RNA retrovirus, and it causes a nasty, lethal wasting disease in sheep. In the case of visna, some sheep breeds are more resistant. I would expect in a few thousand years, there will be more people that are naturally immune to the virus ... but to get there, a lot of people who are not resistant will have to die.



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27 Sep 2014, 2:56 pm

Yes, it should. Especially if the person knew they had it. I support execution for this crime. I think we should tattoo people with aids around the genital area so they can't spread it as easily. I also think they should be banned from industries such as food. If one of them cut their finger and then used the knife to cut carrot sticks then they could give us the disease if someone had a cut in their mouth. Aids killed Ofra Haza because Doron Ashkenazi didn't tell her and she died because of this. It should be punishable by execution. I think if they infected someone when drunk they should be castrated but not executed. I also think that if you did infect someone a night before you should be legally required to tell them ASAP so they can get the anti HIV pill (if a person is given this quickly after exposure they are often cured). And the criminal should be forced to pay for this or work it off in a forced labor camp :evil: