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05 Feb 2008, 4:39 pm

Exactly. You've got to be an idiot to think that they are far left-wing!

Oh, and by the way- UK Liberal Democrats, Libertarian? Pure bullcrap, thankfully. Though I intensely dislike some of their policies.

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05 Feb 2008, 10:21 pm

I will vote for Obama for one simple reason:

Hillary supports Jack Thompson.

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06 Feb 2008, 8:39 am

Obama and Clinton are not far left. I'd even struggle to call them (Clinton especially) centre left. They are more like Australia's Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd who is popularly considered centre right. I'd argue that he has some leftist leanings that make him more of a centrist over-all. If you want to see some actual socialists or communists, the U.S. is not the best place to look for them.

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06 Feb 2008, 12:15 pm

The_Q wrote:

I'd say a major issue really depends on the population that we look at in order to determine political leaning. If the US is the relevant population then the center must be at some kind of average or median between a more left-wing position and a more right-wing position. Because of that we can call a politician far-left or simply left even if they would not be so by a world standard as we still have to look at the relevant standpoints. I am not going to deny that many of the statements by right-wingers are sort of unintelligent with using this logic, but to me it still seems legitimate to use a relative local political scale over a less local relative political scale.

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06 Feb 2008, 3:28 pm

I voted ron paul. Money doesn't have much to do with it. Romney had more money than Huckabee but they're both doing about the same. Ron paul has a bigger grassroots base. I'v seen several websites by searching on foreign search engines, especially google.co.uk, and found that Paul also has a few supporters in canada, britain, australia to name a few...

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07 Feb 2008, 7:11 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

The_Q wrote:

Looking at it from a national perspective, I can understand. However, I personally consider the world standard to be more valid. Admittedly, this is partly because of my own bias.

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07 Feb 2008, 8:13 am

I am backing Obama, but only because Bill Richardson dropped out.

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07 Feb 2008, 8:23 am

its time for a swap - when john howard was our PM, Bush had way too much say here - perhaps Kevin Rudd could return the favour

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07 Feb 2008, 11:24 am

ive never even heard of gravel

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07 Feb 2008, 6:37 pm

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ive never even heard of gravel

Because the "mainstream media" has not covered him as much as the other two Democratic candidates because his issues don't reflect what the owners of the mainstream media want.

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08 Feb 2008, 6:50 pm

Anubis wrote:

Clinton will win.

The reason Obama won't is because of his name.

Well Clinton is losing the south due to Bill's statement about Obama.

Obama is better because ethnic reform is needed in this nation.

We also need change in our nation as well.

I voted Obama.

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09 Feb 2008, 11:55 am

zendell wrote:

Odin wrote:

voted Obama

zendell wrote:

I don't like socialists/communists.

Barack Obama was found to be the most liberal senator in 2007

Hillary Clinton was found to be tied as the 16th most liberal senator

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/31 ... 5451.shtml

I'd say they're both extreme left liberals.

Every four years they repackage that "mot liberal senator thing. Here's a snippet from 2004

Kerry rated most liberal member of Senate
By Richard E. Cohen National Journal February 27, 2004

On the night of February 17, after finishing a surprisingly close second to Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., in the Wisconsin primary, Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., made the rounds of television interviews and repeated what has become a familiar theme. Asked on CNN about his campaign strategy, Edwards replied that he planned to emphasize the contrasts between him and the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination.

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10 Feb 2008, 1:34 am

if an american ever wanted to see a "lefty", just tell them to head to the great white north(universal healthcare).

voted Obama

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18 Feb 2008, 1:27 pm

wow, obama's winning in a landslide.

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19 Feb 2008, 3:02 am

ddrapayo wrote:

Jkid wrote:

Obama and Clinton are one and the same joined by the hip. They're corporate w*****!

As little as I appreciate the language choice, you're right. If you go to cnn's election site, you'll see they're virtually the same on every issue. And acutally, one of the few bills they disagreed on was relating to automobile MPG's.

agree on the same issues, yes, but there's a key difference.

Clinton will sell out those positions first chance she gets (like her husband and Gore before her)

whether or not Obama will remains to be determined (and how quickly) but the race is young

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