Americans and stupidity

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Wow... just-- wow

^ yes ...wow

speaking of american ignorance and hubris:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt62697.html

^^ now that was ..WOW. Well I am not so surprised....what do you expect from a party that's wishing to remove evolution from education system and to implement creationism in schools? I expect s**t out of them, nothing more.

and the messed up part is no one here knows or really gives a damn.

The reason no one gives a damn is that what's being debated is not evolution at all - It's what people think should be learned in school. What should be learned in school is both evolution and intelligent design, because they are what they are - theories, and people should learn about them and choose what they believe in.

On a side note, I usually find athiesm being shoved down the throats of Christians, not the other way around.

and yet in a conversation where i mention nothing of religion, you bring it up and bring up intelligent design. intelligent design isn't discussed in school because it's not real science. intelligent design is pseudo science which completely disregards the scientific method and has no methodology of testing or redesigning the theory as more evidence and data is gathered. real science is constantly moving and changing and evolving as we gain a better understanding of our world and of our universe.

as far as what being shoved down whose thoats: i pay a federal tax, of which part of it goes towards faith based initiatives and towards abstinence-only (which is a christian ideology) sex education programs. that's money out of my pocket going towards christian organizations. that's f*****g theft.

you complain about not getting to put up a cross in a courthouse, i get my money stolen. quit being a victim and a little b***h. and that goes to all "victim" christians. you guys haven't been persecuted since roughly 300 AD...get over it, you'll never live those tales of martyrdom unless your dumb ass goes out and pisses off some people who don't want your religion shoved down their throats.

Despite how smart, well-meaning, or open-minded you may be skafather, I suggest you tone down the use of profanity in your posts.

Right on there Skafather, I do think there might be a slight bit of rampant atheism trying to enforce itself on christians, but there is definately a bigger epidemic of christians enforcing their beliefs down everyone else's throats. That's what started this whole thing between christians and atheists. "Faith-based initiatives", our tax dollars going to corrupt churches and being used to write religion into law. Which ignores the seperation of church and state, a document that is equally as valid and important to what our country is **supposed** to stand for as the declaration of indepedence, or the bill of rights.
I'm not taking sides, and I'm not saying that atheists should have the right to enforce their beliefs on religious people either. But I see more religious people (mainly x-ians here in the US) trying to force their beliefs than I do atheists, generally speaking.
I wonder what these Christian supremacists would say if I pointed out that their entire view on integration of church and state was ripped from the KKK? Or how these redneck idiots would feel if lets say, hindus were amassing in droves outside the super markets demanding them to stop selling beef because it's against THEIR HINDU religion? Like hypocrites, these redneck as*holes would probably cry and wine and b***h and piss and moan once they got a taste of their own medicine.

what's wrong with the choice of words?

Although social power might be able to enforce personal behavior, I seriously doubt either atheism or religion can force belief which is a very personal internal matter. Even torture can merely enlarge fear from an enforcer but unless it results in the victim's insanity it seems to me not possible to make a person either believe or disbelieve in God.

well they bribe the third worlds with the minimal ammount of food and that allows them into the schools to brainwash the kids and that's where the programming really starts.

religion is most definitely forced. i was just lucky enough to be the inquisitive lad that i am and broke out of that mess of control structure.

I think that is a bit of a logical fallacy, as neither learned nor experienced people have believed in a flat earth since the bronze age. The curvature of the earth is verifiable with regular vision from a modest height overlooking somewhat flat terrain, such as a cliff overlooking ocean.

If the idea was espoused, it was by clergy that did not want "the flock" to escape their domain of influence. As many of them were learned/mathematicians, they would have known the truth. The higher echelons of the church would possibly perpetuate a false belief in the parish priests as they were unlearned and often illiterate.

20% in America seems rather high though... sounds like spin doctoring.

they continue this control process today by lying about the effectiveness of condoms and spreading myths about STD's.


not to mention controlling the modern unlearned people today to be victims of their faith and declare all secularism as an attack on their religion rather than an attempt to be neutral and not attack any religions.

same thing with evolution. the unlearned are preyed (prayed?) upon by the church and the ignorance of the common man is used against for the benefit of pushing control of the church in public life on those who don't want it.

Actually, as noted by Dawkins, brainwashing starts in the family where a child's tendency to believe its parents inculcates the elements of belief. No doubt the church helps.