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Are you in favour of indendence for Scotland?
Yes 87%  87%  [ 20 ]
No 13%  13%  [ 3 ]
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14 May 2008, 4:28 pm

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I am in support of having more independent nations, not less.

Indeed, and so it appears are a number of your compatriots, though I'd expect most would be hard pushed to find Scotland on a map. Likely, too, is that several are of the belief that the recent ban on hunting with hounds saw the demise of that much loved and traditional sport of haggis hunting.



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14 May 2008, 5:56 pm

The Scottish ARE independent. They could have a referendum anytime they cared to do so, make appeals to the UN to defend their secession, and altogether break from the UK. The thing is, though, the British government stopped behaving like arse-headed pigs a long time ago, and, nowadays, the Scottish are simply not interested enough in the idea to go through the tiresome process of seceding from a perfectly good and mutually beneficial union. It's just not in anyone's interests to do so. Far more trouble than it's worth. Besides, the world is well on its way to forming a unified supranational government. In a few decades, no one will care. It would be like New York City and its metropolitan area wanting to secede from New York State. Everyone would think it's weird, but hardly anybody would care.



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14 May 2008, 8:55 pm

Maybe if they go independent they can change over to the euro.. then they might be able to spend it south of the border.


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15 May 2008, 3:45 am

Yeah sure go for it i say, and while your at it start a Scottish language revival like the welsh did :wink:

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Will they be taking back Gordon "tax monger" Brown? Can we put the wall back up? Will they finally get over it and quit being so damn racist towards the english? Will it make any difference at all?

And why isnt anyone bothered that the SNP might be a bit right wing and racist, like the BNP? Seems a touch odd.


From the SNP manifesto for Holyrood: "The SNP believe Scotland and England should be equal nations – friends and partners - both free to make our own choices. "

The SNP is actually centre-left and the only thing they really have in common with the BNP is the similarity in the acronyms.


thanks for clearing that up, i was wondering about that aswell lol.



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15 May 2008, 4:12 pm

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Yes, they're subsidised by English taxpayers.


oh, well maybe an independent scotland would free you poor englishers of such a burden, eh? :lol:


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15 May 2008, 4:27 pm

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Yes, they're subsidised by English taxpayers.


oh, well maybe an independent scotland would free you poor englishers of such a burden, eh? :lol:


Assumably subsidised by english tax money because scottish money is printed at the bank of toytown?


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15 May 2008, 8:42 pm

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Yes, they're subsidised by English taxpayers.


oh, well maybe an independent scotland would free you poor englishers of such a burden, eh? :lol:


Assumably subsidised by english tax money because scottish money is printed at the bank of toytown?


Can you give any reasons why Scottish money isn't real money?


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16 May 2008, 4:13 am

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ascan wrote:
Yes, they're subsidised by English taxpayers.


oh, well maybe an independent scotland would free you poor englishers of such a burden, eh? :lol:


Assumably subsidised by english tax money because scottish money is printed at the bank of toytown?


no.


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16 May 2008, 2:32 pm

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Yes, they're subsidised by English taxpayers.


oh, well maybe an independent scotland would free you poor englishers of such a burden, eh? :lol:

No it wouldn't. Scotland would get the money from the EU who are also subsidised by English taxpayers. Furthermore, after the unelected bureaucrats of Brussels had taken their cut, the burden would be somewhat greater.



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16 May 2008, 3:33 pm

ascan wrote:
peebo wrote:
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Yes, they're subsidised by English taxpayers.


oh, well maybe an independent scotland would free you poor englishers of such a burden, eh? :lol:

No it wouldn't. Scotland would get the money from the EU who are also subsidised by English taxpayers. Furthermore, after the unelected bureaucrats of Brussels had taken their cut, the burden would be somewhat greater.


can you explain exactly the means by which you think this would happen?


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16 May 2008, 4:07 pm

peebo wrote:
ascan wrote:
peebo wrote:
ascan wrote:
Yes, they're subsidised by English taxpayers.


oh, well maybe an independent scotland would free you poor englishers of such a burden, eh? :lol:

No it wouldn't. Scotland would get the money from the EU who are also subsidised by English taxpayers. Furthermore, after the unelected bureaucrats of Brussels had taken their cut, the burden would be somewhat greater.


can you explain exactly the means by which you think this would happen?

Well, if you do get independence, you don't think we'd let you have the oil fields and what's left of the oil, do you? Oh, no! You'd be cap-in-hand to Brussels for grants so that sorry excuse of a parliament of yours could continue the fiscal profligacy that's currently subsidised by us. :wink: