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19 May 2008, 5:35 pm

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I'm not a racist, but perhaps it's time to teach some of the more conservative muslims that they don't have to take the Qur'an that litteraly?



Many don't. They instead prefer to listen to the explanations and interpretations of their major religious schools of thought, ahadith, and customs. The Arabs asserted their power and strengths through these forceful measures. Whenever they were lenient the people would just revert back to previous teachings or innovate the religion, until the Caliphs came back and placed them back on the "Straight Path."


What other religion and where else in history were the people not allowed to interpret the scriptures accordingly, instead relying on the words of their religious/military leaders? Hmmmmmmmmmm.........


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19 May 2008, 5:41 pm

Catholicism versus Protestantism in the Thirty Years War. One of my favorite books was G.A. Henty's novel on this war. Freedom of the individual versus Papal authority basically.



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19 May 2008, 6:16 pm

:dances in his Burka:



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19 May 2008, 6:35 pm

:lmao:


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19 May 2008, 8:54 pm

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19 May 2008, 9:05 pm

:lol:


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19 May 2008, 10:27 pm

There is no question that viewing various degrees of body exposure engenders a whole range of personal reactions in different people with different personal and cultural outlooks. But it seems to me that, whatever that reaction, there should be strict social limits on how extreme that reaction should be permitted. No person should be subject to personal violence whatever the degree of personal exposure. Rape or torture or murder should be unquestionably forbidden and severely punished and the kind of reaction that religious fanatics freely exercise under cover of some archaic social or religious concept is totally unacceptable in a decent society and its exercise far outweighs in unacceptability whatever "crime" is indicated by body exposure of any degree.



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19 May 2008, 10:57 pm

Oi! Don't make me go all Buddhist on your asses!

Considering the state of the ozone layer over the South Pole, this sort of cozzie might become de rigueur in Australia — simply to escape death from melanoma.

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For streetwear, though, I'd ditch the hijab, and go with a nice baseball cap in a matching colour. :wink:

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There is no question that viewing various degrees of body exposure engenders a whole range of personal reactions in different people with different personal and cultural outlooks. But it seems to me that, whatever that reaction, there should be strict social limits on how extreme that reaction should be permitted. No person should be subject to personal violence whatever the degree of personal exposure. Rape or torture or murder should be unquestionably forbidden and severely punished and the kind of reaction that religious fanatics freely exercise under cover of some archaic social or religious concept is totally unacceptable in a decent society and its exercise far outweighs in unacceptability whatever "crime" is indicated by body exposure of any degree.


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19 May 2008, 11:04 pm

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Oi! Don't make me go all Buddhist on your asses!

Considering the state of the ozone layer over the South Pole, this sort of cozzie might become de rigueur in Australia — simply to escape death from melanoma.

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Mushrika!! It is supposed to be black! Where do you think you are? Rajasthan? :x :x :x


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19 May 2008, 11:08 pm

oscuria wrote:
Mushrika!! It is supposed to be black! Where do you think you are? Rajasthan? :x :x :x


*wipes away tears of laughter*



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20 May 2008, 7:25 am

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=M1jXgenoHO8[/youtube]



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20 May 2008, 10:18 am

I disagree how conservative muslims (as well as conservative jews and christians) view the body as something "sinful" to be covered. However, it is their right to believe what they want as long as they keep it to themselves.


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20 May 2008, 1:30 pm

history_of_psychiatry wrote:
I disagree how conservative muslims (as well as conservative jews and christians) view the body as something "sinful" to be covered. However, it is their right to believe what they want as long as they keep it to themselves.


I concur. The Islamic view is twofold: bodies are inherently sexual, and sex is PRIVATE. The whole idea of not allowing people to show off their bodies is to reduce sexual tension. I think that veils ARE a bit much but Burqas and Hejabs are perfectly reasonable. When I see a muslim women wearing Hejabs I do NOT look upon them as potential sexual partners but as ordinary people. With western young women wearing more revealing clothes I cant get past their bodies-especially if they're physically attractive :? .



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20 May 2008, 1:36 pm

It's just a matter of emotional maturity. Women, wrapped in bags, in western dress, or nude can be considered in many ways. I have no difficulty in ignoring their state of dress and addressing them as fellow humans. Women can indicate sexual signs in almost any state and this is more a matter of body gesture than anything else. At least to me.



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20 May 2008, 1:50 pm

Kalister1 wrote:
:dances in his Burka:


:covers his eyes, attempts to keep lunch down:


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20 May 2008, 5:11 pm

Next thing you know...hijabs/scarfs will be a new fashion trend in the western culture. 8)

Except burkas aka niqabs would be pretty uncomfortable to wear I think. Plus how would you know who's who. Obama might be in one of those. 8O

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Niqab/Burkas....duh

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