Leading Historian Says U.S. ‘Empire’ To Fail

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18 Jan 2006, 6:00 pm

All Empires yet fail and do fall. The history of man and empires show that for sure. There has be so many empires in the past. present. and who knows about the future who or what is to come in the end.


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18 Jan 2006, 7:18 pm

ed wrote:
Endersdragon wrote:
Wheres a treaty Bush broke by going to war with Iraq.


The U.N. Charter


F--- the UN! They would have been all over the terrorists had one of the planes hit their building in NY!

edit: and other countries do it as well (entersdragon is correct) why should we be held to anything they say. We bankroll a great deal of their little "peace keeping" missions. And we loose soldiers on those little expidetions as well....



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18 Jan 2006, 7:19 pm

And eventually ALL empires fail. How is that news? I could have told you that in the second grade.



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18 Jan 2006, 8:11 pm

That historian is an IDIOT. American is NOT an empire. Is Germany a US state or territory? or for that matter, Britain (there were alot of US troops ther for awhile), France, Italy, Japan, Cuba, the Phillipines? For a so-called empire, the U.S. sure has not stayed in most of the territories its troops occupied. I fail to see the unreasonable comparison. Granted as a nation, any nation has the potential to fail, but the US is not an Empire, please do not insult us by placing us alongside the British, Ottoman, Nazi, French, Roman, Zulu, Chahokia, Inca, Mayan, Aztec, Holy Roman, Byzantium, Moorish, Arab, Persian, Macedonian, Egyptian, Mongol, and Chinese empires of the past. They had dictatorships and out right invaded all nearby neighbors and made them part of the empire, the US did not and has not done that. DONT BE Delusional. You are sure entitled to your oppinion, but please, at least make reasonable statements, not hallucinated ones.



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18 Jan 2006, 8:17 pm

The U.S. is a Empire in this way it has Influenced the World like No other Nation in the 20th and 21st Centuries. It is a Super Power and right Now the Only Super Power on this World.


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18 Jan 2006, 8:26 pm

How can a democracy, like the US, be an empire? An empire is a dictatorship, not a democracy. I think its more like Multi-national corporations are hidden empires, but not the US. I guess you will say that Iroquis 5 state nation was an empire too. Or that Switzerland is an Empire, because of its banking system and power. Or Canada, is an Empire. Or Austrailia, because of all the actors and ceos in the world and US. Or Hong Kong, Taiwan, Macao, South Korea, Japan, Mexico, look how many things are made from those nations, they have widespread influence. Japan especially imports its culture via top selling video games, anime, manga and cartoons.

Get real. The US is NOT an Empire, a successful free nation, maybe, but NOT an empire.



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18 Jan 2006, 8:34 pm

The U.S. the the Most Influential Country in the World. It Influence is Policital in nature and being So Policital it Holds the World to it Standards Like Rome did 2000 years ago in the end. So that makes it a Empire just like the Roman Empire of Old was in the end.


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18 Jan 2006, 8:39 pm

Ladysmokeater wrote:
And eventually ALL empires fail. How is that news? I could have told you that in the second grade.
I was just stating a fact.


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18 Jan 2006, 11:11 pm

You must have a very loose definition of empire then, kev.



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18 Jan 2006, 11:47 pm

Epimonandas wrote:
You must have a very loose definition of empire then, kev.
I must then but You must remember the U.S. has Great Amount of Political and Military Power and it has over the years Used it just like Rome did in the end. That is why I say The U.S. is and Empire maybe not like the Old Empires of Old but an Empire none the Less.


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19 Jan 2006, 1:43 am

kevv729 wrote:
Ladysmokeater wrote:
And eventually ALL empires fail. How is that news? I could have told you that in the second grade.
I was just stating a fact.


I know I wasnt trying to slam you, I was just saying that some top historian to announce this sounds like he ran out of stuff to read :wink:



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19 Jan 2006, 2:02 am

Ladysmokeater wrote:
kevv729 wrote:
Ladysmokeater wrote:
And eventually ALL empires fail. How is that news? I could have told you that in the second grade.
I was just stating a fact.


I know I wasnt trying to slam you, I was just saying that some top historian to announce this sounds like he ran out of stuff to read :wink:
Okay!! !


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19 Jan 2006, 5:15 am

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19 Jan 2006, 7:13 am

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19 Jan 2006, 8:01 am

Hmm.

There are several ways the US can fall. For one, everyone hates us, and if one of our main enemies, let's just throw a name out, say, Iran, were to be provoked by say, hmm, Bush starting war with them, and they were to finish gathering the necessary supplies.... we'd be in a bad place then, wouldn't we? Because there are several places they can aim that would totally cripple our economy if hit by a nuclear weapson.

A biological weapon wouldn't do as much harm as a nuclear weapon unless they were able to really put it in multiple cities, which would be pretty hard with our country's habit of spying on people recently.

However, I predict that if we move on to the 2008 elections and we get a good president, we have a chance of settling some global unrest, but right now, all politicians, on both sides, are being complete dumbasses, focusing on totally opposite issues then the two issues that matter most, which are:

1. Gain Some Freakin' Allies
2. Solve at least a *little* bit of the debt.

All I know is, I hope we last, because no matter how much I hate the problems in the government, I love America, not because of how it's doing now, but because of what it was built on - the pursuit of freedom. Sadly, most politicians lately are trying to kill our freedoms, but... eh.


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20 Jan 2006, 1:37 am

kevv729 wrote:
Epimonandas wrote:
You must have a very loose definition of empire then, kev.
I must then but You must remember the U.S. has Great Amount of Political and Military Power and it has over the years Used it just like Rome did in the end. That is why I say The U.S. is and Empire maybe not like the Old Empires of Old but an Empire none the Less.


If thats so, then why do so many people want to move to the U.S.????

Roybertito,

you have some flaws in your statement. For one, everyone does not hate us, and most of those that do, are simply so, because they have been lied to and misled about us for decades. For two, biological would be much worse than one nuke, because biological has the potentional to wipe out earth, with one single cell, it would take a few hundred or so nukes to do that. If we get Hillary, we will not be better off. Liers make good lawyers and all, but would you trust one as president?? You dont trust George Bush, jr? whom many believe lied. Though i can not say whether or not he was misled too, most evidence point that he was, it is his fault that the follow through was not a little better planned though. His dad, certainly lied as president, Clinton (not only lied to the people) but did so in court, Reagan lied about Iran Contra. I dunno about you all, but im getting tired of lier presidents. And Hillary has done so, and worse shes a proven hippocrat. With a person like her in the government, we will probably get even more screwed up in the hippocracy, double standards, and lies if not more as well.

by the way, its not all the fault of one president, the debt is the fault of virtually all politicians and lobbyists, whom conspire to utterly waste so much money. I know, my local politicians (from both parties) are among the worst. They like to waste money here on million dollar buildings they dont use, raises to make them higher earners then their State level counterparts, and totally clueless concept of budgeting.

Oh, and PS, like im always saying, take the professional/careerism out of politics and the problem will either be solved, or at least a much smaller one.