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06 Nov 2005, 6:00 pm

Bec or Anybody

Yes I what to to know Yours Views on how it happened Naturally.

I am not playing Devil's Advocate. All views are welcomed, all explanations are welcomed too.


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06 Nov 2005, 6:02 pm

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Yes I what to to know Yours Views on how it happened Naturally.


Okay, then... Read up on the theory of evolution. That is how it happened naturally.



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06 Nov 2005, 6:11 pm

Bec

This is not about science or even about religion. It is how we ourselves see it personally. This thread is non judgemental it is matter All Views. OK.

If You or Anybody wants to express yours views on How it happened Naturally.

Please do so.


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06 Nov 2005, 6:53 pm

Evolution is fact. True, maybe we aren't sure exactly how, when, where, and why every living organism came to be, but we are not mistaken about the process by which life adapts.

Creationists and/or Intelligent Design Theorists are misguided. They make a habbit of reducing evolution to a straw man while hypocritically failing to apply their own skepticism to their beliefs. Changing the name to "Intelligent Design" is merely tactic to disguise the fact that many believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis. Occasionally creationists will make good points, but they have not and will not debunk evolution. Most fail to realize that even if they did succeed in doing this, they still wouldn't be providing a better alternative.

Should the universe have had a creator? I don't know, and I think the issue is far from resolved. Either way, a creator is an untestable hypothesis, so it is unscientific. ID theorists suggest that "creation speaks for itself" and that we know the mind of God simply by our appreciation, love, and awe of the universe. I suppose the more cynical atheists call this the "argument from creative interpretation".

I admit I am intrigued by the fact that evolution seems to be a system in and of itself, perhaps indicative of order, even if it is meant to function in chaos. Another creationist came up with a theory that all information--even and especially that of DNA, requires a sender. As intriguing as this sounds, I am still wary considering the source. In the end, I simply do not know if god is an unnecessary explaination that's been tacked onto everything else. It's really quite frustrating.

The book "Finding Darwin's God", which I have not read in it's entirety, is all about finding a middle ground between evolution and faith. I'd recomend it to anyone concerned with the issue.


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06 Nov 2005, 8:55 pm

Exactly... Creationists seem to only use the argument that Darwinism is inaccurate and has a lot of flaws. This may be true, but Evolution itself has been proven. There has been proof that animals have evolved over millions and billions of years (keep in mind that Evolution does not necessarily = Darwinism). Although, Creationists argue that life started around 4004 BC, because it is written down somewhere in a book that consists of stories.



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06 Nov 2005, 9:08 pm

Thagomizer wrote:
Evolution is fact. True, maybe we aren't sure exactly how, when, where, and why every living organism came to be, but we are not mistaken about the process by which life adapts.

I admit I am intrigued by the fact that evolution seems to be a system in and of itself, perhaps indicative of order, even if it is meant to function in chaos. Another creationist came up with a theory that all information--even and especially that of DNA, requires a sender. As intriguing as this sounds, I am still wary considering the source. In the end, I simply do not know if god is an unnecessary explaination that's been tacked onto everything else. It's really quite frustrating.
I find this interesting about DNA requires a sender.

Why are You wary of the source even though he is creationist could still be good science that he has done instead.


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07 Nov 2005, 2:08 am

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Evolution was invented by right-wing economists to justify killing off the poor.


Nope, Darwin wasn't right wing.
He was poor.

Evolution was Used by right-wing economists to justify getting more money then poor.



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08 Nov 2005, 1:18 am

Micro Evolution is a fact Macro Evolution on the other hand has yet to be proven.
One startling fact is the significant lack of intermittent species in the fossil record.
That means you would have to explain for significant jumps in the evolution of species via chance.
Something that is extremely difficult to do.
Any law presupposes a law giver. The law giver must reside external to the laws.
Such a law giver could be G-d.
So, if macro-evolution occured via preestablished laws, then G-d could have created evolution.
This is far more plausable given what we know about how different species appeared on the planet.



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08 Nov 2005, 9:28 pm

people that are afraid of going to hell created religion. i personally think an alien made man. specifically what zacheria sitchin says. http://www.sitchin.com



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08 Nov 2005, 11:50 pm

wrong. religion created hell. not vise-versa ;)



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09 Nov 2005, 1:51 am

Relyt wrote:
Exactly... Creationists seem to only use the argument that Darwinism is inaccurate and has a lot of flaws. This may be true, but Evolution itself has been proven. There has been proof that animals have evolved over millions and billions of years (keep in mind that Evolution does not necessarily = Darwinism). Although, Creationists argue that life started around 4004 BC, because it is written down somewhere in a book that consists of stories.
I'm wondering, then: What's the difference between Evolution and Darwinism?


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09 Nov 2005, 1:52 am

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people that are afraid of going to hell created religion. i personally think an alien made man. specifically what zacheria sitchin says. http://www.sitchin.com
If aliens made man, then why the hell does everything in our DNA say that we come from this Earth?


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09 Nov 2005, 2:00 am

Who knows...maybe they created "Man" from genetic material on Earth?



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09 Nov 2005, 9:38 am

Thagomizer wrote:
Elk wrote:
people that are afraid of going to hell created religion. i personally think an alien made man. specifically what zacheria sitchin says. http://www.sitchin.com
If aliens made man, then why the hell does everything in our DNA say that we come from this Earth?
maybe because they created us here on earth? and not somewhere else?



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09 Nov 2005, 11:28 am

Relyt wrote:
Exactly... Creationists seem to only use the argument that Darwinism is inaccurate and has a lot of flaws. This may be true, but Evolution itself has been proven. There has been proof that animals have evolved over millions and billions of years (keep in mind that Evolution does not necessarily = Darwinism). Although, Creationists argue that life started around 4004 BC, because it is written down somewhere in a book that consists of stories.


Our human story's and history writings go back about 5-6,000 years, at a point right before that time (about 6000-6500 years ago) was the end (the last) of the last ice age, during and before the last ice age we have little history of our selves aside from our DNA and fossil records, but according to our findings man has been around for well over and at least 1.500.000 years (as varied and evolving races), what the last ice age forced us to evolve in order to survive has vastly improved our evolution in the modern age's as well as brought about the actual dawn of mans reasoning with reflections.

according to most religions the god(s) created man and mans beginnings (if not the world) around 5000-6000 years ago if not sooner.
there is proof otherwise.



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09 Nov 2005, 4:27 pm

I think the Pleistocene "officially" ended 10,000 years ago, and the glaciers are still retreating to this day. In fact, right now we are in the middle of another "interglacial" in which there isn't a huge sheet of ice covering the Northern Hemisphere and most of Europe. Mammoths and other megafauna managed to survive these changes, but didn't when humans decided to come along. Hominids as far as we know are at least something like 6 million years old, while our species is about 100,000 to 200,000 years old. The earlierst known art is something like 30,000 or 40,000 years old as well. The other extant race, Neanderthals, went extinct around this time.


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