Do you think that Christianity will be over in 50-100 years?

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Do you think that Christianity will be over in 50-100 years?
Yes 29%  29%  [ 11 ]
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17 Aug 2008, 11:07 am

nightbender wrote:
nope. Christianinty is the fastest growing religion on the planet.
only Western Europe and North American Austriali/New Zealand have declining rates.


I see. Prosperity seems to be a contradiction to Christianity. Maybe literacy is as well.



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17 Aug 2008, 11:26 am

nightbender wrote:
nope. Christianinty is the fastest growing religion on the planet.
only Western Europe and North American Austriali/New Zealand have declining rates.


I thought islam was the fastest growing religion in the world ?
Also a few months back islam replaced catholisism as the most practiced religion in the world.



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17 Aug 2008, 12:18 pm

In the paraphrased words of George Carlin, I'm waiting for the church shootings to start. It'll be all over the news; they'll be called "disgruntled worshipers."



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17 Aug 2008, 12:32 pm

nightbender wrote:
nope. Christianinty is the fastest growing religion on the planet.


That would actually be Islam.


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17 Aug 2008, 12:48 pm

I actually clam up when somebody brings up religion out of nowhere because I have no idea what to say. A client once asked me when I went to church. He was a high-paying client, and I clammed up and felt like the room was spinning for a while. HE said, "what, you act like you just saw a ghost." It just scares me how so many seemingly rational and logical people can discard reason and evidence-based thinking in the face of confronting faith. I just don't understand it, and I've lost countless friendships and relationships because of this ...



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17 Aug 2008, 3:07 pm

I hope christianity (or any religion for that matter) ends, but I don't think it will.



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17 Aug 2008, 3:14 pm

kitty2 wrote:
I hope christianity (or any religion for that matter) ends, but I don't think it will.


I've always dreamed of starting a company that sells inexpensive nuclear weapons and protective devices.



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17 Aug 2008, 4:29 pm

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What is "dogma-free spirituality?"


All spiritual paths that reject blind faith such as the belief that something is absolutely true because one or more holy persons supposedly got a message directly from God. Blind faith or clinging to dogmas stands opposed to having an open mind towards practical experiences and experiments. In the near future more and more people will reject blind faith and religious fairy tales and accept that spirituality is a universal human phenomenon rather than a sectarian affair.


New Age Religion, in other words. :roll:


Is that the new term for heathen religions? :lol: :wink:


Too long for a term :wink: but I think that the heathen religions already existing would not change their names, they are much older than Christianity :roll:



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17 Aug 2008, 4:51 pm

Delirium wrote:
nightbender wrote:
nope. Christianinty is the fastest growing religion on the planet.


That would actually be Islam.

popular myth Christanity narrowly outpaces islam. GO TEAM



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17 Aug 2008, 5:13 pm

Chaotica wrote:
Too long for a term :wink: but I think that the heathen religions already existing would not change their names, they are much older than Christianity :roll:


Technically speaking, the heathen religions are all reconstructions, since "heathen" refers specifically to Germanic pagans of the British Isles, but that's being exceptionally picky over the matter. However, it does raise the reality that the vast majority of these alleged "pagan" religions practiced in the industrialized world are really quite new, 20th-century inventions. They like to claim ancient lineage, but if non-Christians want to quibble about Christianity laying claim to Judaic traditions and lineage, then we have to hold the pagans to the same standard, and they have to admit that they are only about 80-90 years old, at most (with a scant few going back to the Theosophy of the 19th century).

There are pagan religions that can legitimately and verifiably trace living traditions going way back into the mists of time, but I can only think of one Western one--one form of Asatru that is practiced in Iceland. Nothing else in the Western Indo-European religious traditions survived to the modern era--it was all rebuilt in the 20th century.

There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, but it's silly for groups that knock the claims of Christianity to an ancient lineage to then turn around and claim an even more ancient lineage for themselves. I look upon groups that do make such claims with the same amusement as I do for various Christian organizations arrayed around some Episcopos Vagante or another, or that Vagante's descendents. You may have heard of these groups, they go around collecting "lineages" of questionable ordinations and display them proudly in an attempt to legitimize themselves in the eyes of Christian groups that can just go to their archives and at very least prove a lineage of ordination going back up to a millenium and a half.

It's a lot like these self-styled "chivalric orders" that claim to be continuations of various crusading Orders of knighthood that were centuries ago disbanded or simply died out. Whenever they're asked to prove their claims, it's always the same song-and-dance. "We were persecuted, so all our records had to be kept word-of-mouth. You're just prejudiced against us, anyway. You're a puppet/tool/agent of the Great Conspiracy against us."

If your group can't prove existence before 1932, what's wrong with that?



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17 Aug 2008, 6:00 pm

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If your group can't prove existence before 1932, what's wrong with that?


Nice research work, Dogbrain. I guess "my group" means Slavic Pagans, right? Well, sincerely speaking, I don't know if it can be proved, because the free-minds had been oppressed and executed (especially between 1917 and 1980's), and the historical documents and the objects of religious cult had been destroyed in 988 during the Christianization of Kyiv Rus. But I think that folklore and myths contain much information, so I think folklore and fairy tales which are about 7000 years old can be good proofs. And don't forget about the "cold war" which has been separating the USSR from the world for such a long time, so you can't find out everything about the Slavic Pagans, 'cause even the oppressors could not.
In general, it doesn't worry me too much :wink:



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17 Aug 2008, 6:05 pm

I always like the russian fairy tales and folk tales, they have some interesting 'witches'.



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17 Aug 2008, 6:12 pm

Really? :) pleased to know that :wink:



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17 Aug 2008, 6:17 pm

kitty2 wrote:
I hope christianity (or any religion for that matter) ends, but I don't think it will.


I share this sentiment. I hope humanity will grow out of the frankly unnecessary need for religion. I find this primitive need for reassurance the most bizarre aspect of our psychology and I hope we will outgrow it and end our "childhood" of ignorance.

But I doubt it since most people are stupid and unquestioning drones.



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17 Aug 2008, 6:21 pm

does god 'need' us?



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17 Aug 2008, 6:22 pm

Chaotica wrote:
Dogbrain wrote:
If your group can't prove existence before 1932, what's wrong with that?


But I think that folklore and myths contain much information, so I think folklore and fairy tales which are about 7000 years old can be good proofs.


And Jewish folktales go back at least that far, too. Thus, as the successor to Judaism, Christianity is as old as Slavic paganism, by the same logic.

I'm not talking about the existence of information, I'm talking about a verifiable continuity of existence of social institutions.