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corroonb
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23 Aug 2008, 6:23 pm

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23 Aug 2008, 8:37 pm

Police need to....

question authority!



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24 Aug 2008, 1:25 am

Every time I hear Britons complain about knife crime, I have to fight down an overwhelming urge to make smug comments about reaping what they sow. Just had to get that off my chest.


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24 Aug 2008, 11:07 am

Dox47 wrote:
Every time I hear Britons complain about knife crime, I have to fight down an overwhelming urge to make smug comments about reaping what they sow. Just had to get that off my chest.


say whatever you want, what are ya, chicken?


I'm having to stop myself talking about asylum seekers, mosques in London? :x Too be honest, I just think a lot of cops are cowards, who'd just rather sit there trying to catch out speeders. And I can't get started on the goverment, turning our pubs into 24 hour drinking, when we already have a massive binge drinking problem. Putting cannibas down to class C, when all 14-16 year olds seem to do now days is get stoned :( somehow we need to change that path, kids need to be outside playing sport after school, joining athletics clubs. Not joining rizla's



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24 Aug 2008, 4:07 pm

Dox47 wrote:
... I have to fight down an overwhelming urge to make smug comments about reaping what they sow. Just had to get that off my chest.

Yes, I can imagine. You Yanks have been having a bumper harvest in that respect for some time, so it must be quite cathartic observing the self-inflicted misfortune of others for a while.

Oh, hope I've not dropped any strawmen, non-sequiturs, logical fallacies or other such faux pas into this thread; I know how that upsets you, Dox47!



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24 Aug 2008, 4:42 pm

Enough of blaming the police and calling them the Gestapo. How ignorant and disrespectful. The police have to enforce the law. I don't see politicians and activists being arrested en masse here. Far from it. The police are simply bound by damn red tape. The government may be run by idiots, but our police are some of the best in the world.

I don't think the EU is bad for Britain, either. Our influence has been fading for decades, but hope lies with closer EU integration. We will retain a degree of sovereignty and influence, as autonomous nation-states. Other member nations have their concerns too. That, and the EU seems to be able to counter corporatism and runs independent of US control, and might just preserve the socialist privileges which have been eroded ever since the economic liberalisation of the '80s. Europe will not be taken by US-style corporatocracy and laissez-faire capitalism, hopefully. I see Europe drifting away from the USA altogether, in fact.


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24 Aug 2008, 4:49 pm

your 18, have you had a lot of run-ins with police? Yes some, maybe most of them are good. But there's a lot who have joined the force, just so they can act like a prick and get away with it. Whoever's fault it is, it needs to be sorted, and quick!



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24 Aug 2008, 4:50 pm

Anubis wrote:
...Europe will not be taken by US-style corporatocracy and laissez-faire capitalism, hopefully...

Give me laissez-faire capitalism any day, Anubis, if the alternative is authoritarian socialism from a bunch of unelected foreigners.



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24 Aug 2008, 5:09 pm

ascan wrote:
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...Europe will not be taken by US-style corporatocracy and laissez-faire capitalism, hopefully...

Give me laissez-faire capitalism any day, Anubis, if the alternative is authoritarian socialism from a bunch of unelected foreigners.


The rest of Europe is thinking exactly the same thing. That, and it isn't run by foreigners. It has rotating leadership, and the constitution tried to make it democratic and accountable.

The vision, however, is an equal, moderate EU, a confederation of nation-states with similar goals and systems, which could rival the US, China, and Russia. The United States and China are far ahead of all the individual EU members. If we combine our efforts, we can hope to match up to larger powers.

United we stand, divided we fall.


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24 Aug 2008, 5:16 pm

Anubis wrote:
ascan wrote:
Anubis wrote:
...Europe will not be taken by US-style corporatocracy and laissez-faire capitalism, hopefully...

Give me laissez-faire capitalism any day, Anubis, if the alternative is authoritarian socialism from a bunch of unelected foreigners.


The rest of Europe is thinking exactly the same thing. That, and it isn't run by foreigners. It has rotating leadership, and the constitution tried to make it democratic and accountable.

The vision, however, is an equal, moderate EU, a confederation of nation-states with similar goals and systems, which could rival the US, China, and Russia. The United States and China are far ahead of all the individual EU members. If we combine our efforts, we can hope to match up to larger powers.

United we stand, divided we fall.


I agree. The EU has the potential to be the greatest transnational organisation in the world. Ireland was a 3rd world country before the EU and now we are one of the wealthiest countries in the world.



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25 Aug 2008, 6:46 am

corroonb wrote:
...The EU has the potential to be the greatest transnational organisation in the world.

So what? Great if you're some EU bureaucrat, but what do I get out of that? Some would argue that the USSR was a great transnational organisation, but it's hardly a model we should aspire to, is it?

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... Ireland was a 3rd world country before the EU and now we are one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

Well, who was paying for all that EU investment, then? It was people like me through taxation in the UK that gets pumped into the EU pot. I get nothing out of it. Most of us Brits get nothing out of it. It's just socialist wealth redistribution. Anyway, to look at a narrow 35 year economic snapshot of Irish/ EU history is not the best way to forecast the longterm implications relating to how the EU is developing as an organisation. Short-term economic gain is often balanced by longterm negatives, as most of us in the western world are currently experiencing. That's without even going in to the other important issues such as sovereignty.



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25 Aug 2008, 7:03 am

Anubis wrote:
...and it isn't run by foreigners. It has rotating leadership, and the constitution tried to make it democratic and accountable.

To all intents and purposes it's run by foreigners, Anubis. For example, the only reason many of us only get our rubbish collected every two weeks, and we now have the bin inspectors (or the "Talibin" as they're affectionately known) who snoop through our garbage, is that a bunch of bloody foreigners have imposed limits on what we can send to landfill. It has little or nothing to do with the interests of the British people, and has been imposed on us from across the channel.

Anubis earlier in this thread wrote:
...Enough of blaming the police and calling them the Gestapo. How ignorant and disrespectful...

They ceased to deserve any respect the day they took to taking, and keeping records of, DNA samples from people not even accused of a crime. Yes, that was a government directive, but that doesn't excuse it. They still had a choice; nobody is holding them at gunpoint telling them they have to stay in the force.



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25 Aug 2008, 11:03 am

ascan wrote:
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...It's the excact same story here, instead of putting criminal immigrants in jail they offer them money to return to theyr country...

Over here we offer them money to stay in our country. They get a weekly allowance, accommodation, free medical care, free education for their offsprings, and an additional allowance per kid to encourage them to reproduce.

God help us...


Why does your government do this?



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25 Aug 2008, 11:48 am

slowmutant wrote:
ascan wrote:
Bart21 wrote:
...It's the excact same story here, instead of putting criminal immigrants in jail they offer them money to return to theyr country...

Over here we offer them money to stay in our country. They get a weekly allowance, accommodation, free medical care, free education for their offsprings, and an additional allowance per kid to encourage them to reproduce.

God help us...


Why does your government do this?

EU law allows anyone from another EU country to come here and do just as they please. If they commit a crime then once they get out of prison, they're entitled to all the usual benefits of our welfare state. As far as immigrants from non-EU countries are concerned, if we wish to send them packing, and it's considered they may receive poor treatment in their home country, then EU legislation dictates we can't deport them. So, basically they stay here, with all the benefits.

In addition, sucking-up to ethnic minorities is big business in leftist circles. That does mean that government is never keen to clamp down on those from certain countries who abuse the system.



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25 Aug 2008, 11:51 am

I think I hear UKIP propaganda here.

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25 Aug 2008, 11:54 am

England needs a hero ...

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