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01 Sep 2008, 1:34 pm

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I recently posted a topic regarding the singularity. It is now polyfurcating into other topics.
I believe the solution to crime and suffering is energy abundance. This seems obvious.
Of course an abundance of resources will not initially eradicate all crime, though it will eliminate most crime,
creating the conditions to further analyze crimes that are relative.


That is only one main contributing factor, and there are several others. Perhaps then your topic might be titled
"Energy" + Solution to Crime and Suffering.

My point would simply be that we could in theory go green in under 4 years by focusing on geothermal energy.
solar, tidal, and wind could also play a role. Such energy would be cheaper and this would certainly contribute to
social stability and thus lower crime and social stresses.

In theory we could convert over to geothermal for under 100 billion.

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01 Sep 2008, 1:38 pm

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I disagree. An increase in population will lead to an increase in communication and growth of knowledge. This increase will accelerate the growth of emerging technologies and allow us to grow beyond this planet. No limit.


first, there is no population problem, theres a per capita ecological footprint problem we could shrink from hundreds of acres to cubit yards.

Second, an increase in population does not necessarily mean an increase in knowledge esp given groupthink and propaganda. You have to have a society capable of acknowledging good and right ideas- or things stall- which is what is going on right now thanks to republicans and trolls.

The only way to increase technology is to increase the number of people actually competently working on the problem.
Merely increasing the number of people without increasing the number competently working on the problem is different.
And what we are doing right now.


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01 Sep 2008, 5:50 pm

I'm sure that having free energy would make this world a better place and it would help to minimize a lot of crime and suffering.



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01 Sep 2008, 6:10 pm

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By incrementalism I mean a gradual increase in the availability and distribution of resources. As energy increases, humans will be less likely to desire conflict considering that their needs will be met. Free energy is not, to use your terms, "A pipe dream". At least not from my perspective. An orbiting satellite could easily be utilized to produce an abundance in energy from rotational motion alone. And yes, I have already considered inductive reactance. Beyond this of course we have solar, wind, geothermal, hydrogen producing algae, etc...
Id like to correct myself. I do not think it would be "easy" though I think it is possible. And though I do believe it would create a surplus, perhaps free is to general a word, as it would require some form of maintenance, though maintenance could be automated.



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01 Sep 2008, 6:47 pm

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Yeah why not colonize in Mars if we had the money?

Mars Before.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj17 ... Before.jpg
Mars after a long long make-over.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj17 ... sAfter.jpg

Mars back to where it started when we're through using it at our own disposal.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj17 ... Before.jpg


First of all, the lack of gravitation would gradually f... up one's heart. Secondly, even if we did convert the atmosphere into an earth-like atmosphere, radiation would still pose a major threat (due to the lack of a magnetosphere). ;)


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01 Sep 2008, 6:48 pm

I agree with the thread maker strongly.. but this seems very close to the other thread about industrialization, and technology... its all relevant.



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01 Sep 2008, 6:55 pm

Reodor_Felgen wrote:
MissConstrue wrote:
Yeah why not colonize in Mars if we had the money?

Mars Before.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj17 ... Before.jpg
Mars after a long long make-over.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj17 ... sAfter.jpg

Mars back to where it started when we're through using it at our own disposal.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj17 ... Before.jpg


First of all, the lack of gravitation would gradually f... up one's heart. Secondly, even if we did convert the atmosphere into an earth-like atmosphere, radiation would still pose a major threat (due to the lack of a magnetosphere). ;)


Gravitation can be induced by centrifufugal stabilizers. Radiation can be absorbed ionicaly and converted to useful energy.



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01 Sep 2008, 8:43 pm

Magnus wrote:
I'm sure that having free energy would make this world a better place and it would help to minimize a lot of crime and suffering.


Yeah too bad it's physically impossible and stuff


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01 Sep 2008, 9:46 pm

Indeed Magnus. Perhaps some day soon we can even harness the energy of planetary motion. We have a whole universe available to us. Though I think it quite probable that we may have to share it with other intelligences.



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03 Sep 2008, 11:56 am

Have you heard about what an A**hole Edison was? Carnegie and Rockefeller were money hungry war mongers. Ok, that is a bit judgmental. :oops:

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03 Sep 2008, 12:00 pm

Magnus wrote:
I'm sure that having free energy would make this world a better place and it would help to minimize a lot of crime and suffering.


No, it would be a terrible thing. People would be much more destructive than they currently are.



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03 Sep 2008, 12:10 pm

prometheuspann wrote:
first, there is no population problem, theres a per capita ecological footprint problem we could shrink from hundreds of acres to cubit yards.


That's only true to a limited degree. Earth can support more people if they live with fewer resources, which could initially be accomplished by eliminating frivolity and waste. Technology can lower the impacts. But even at a very modest lifestyle, we may be near the carrying capacity. The oceans are being overharvested for most major species, agricultural nutrients are mucking up the water, lead and mercury are increasing in the food chain, species are disappearing, etc. etc. The best way to reverse these problems in the medium to long term is to reduce the human population.

What is a cubit yard? I don't think the human footprint can be reduced much below a half acre (at vegetarian subsistence levels). Assuming that we give up roads, stores, schools, office complexes and most industrial products.

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The only way to increase technology is to increase the number of people actually competently working on the problem.
Merely increasing the number of people without increasing the number competently working on the problem is different.
And what we are doing right now.


Yes. I was dumbfounded once when talking with a student from an oil rich country. He saw population growth as the way to a better life - strange, but he thought that the shortage of doctors, engineers and other skilled workers was due to a shortage of people. I suggested that education was the best way to increase the proportion of skilled workers, but he didn't see it.



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03 Sep 2008, 12:12 pm

Psimulus wrote:
I recently posted a topic regarding the singularity. It is now polyfurcating into other topics. I believe the solution to crime and suffering is energy abundance. This seems obvious. Of course an abundance of resources will not initially eradicate all crime, though it will eliminate most crime, creating the conditions to further analyze crimes that are relative.


The solution to crime and suffering is the realization that what you do to anyone or anything else you are doing to yourself. The truth is that nobody here has ever committed any crime towards anyone else, nor has anyone made anyone else suffer, it's not even possible. We do it to ourselves and knowledge of the actual mechanics of how it all works is the only thing that is going to end it. Along with that knowledge comes the knowledge of WHY we do it to ourselves, so you cannot even blame yourself for your own suffering as there is/was a very good reason for it. The time has come for the blame game to end so life can begin.


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03 Sep 2008, 2:39 pm

As of 2 years ago I had read every biography about Tesla that I was aware of at the time. He is by far one of my heroes.



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03 Sep 2008, 4:48 pm

I'm so glad someone brought Nikola Tesla up; he's one of my biggest heroes and it pains me so much how obscure he remains and how little people know of his work and his genius. Next to Leonardo da Vinci I consider him one of the two greatest minds to have have graced the Earth since classical times.

It saddens me, too, how the work he did for the good of mankind - he proved that yes, free global limitless energy IS possible - has been hijacked by some of the most evil (I don't use that word lightly) people imaginable to create some of the most deadly weapons possible.

Just look up HAARP and see what you find...


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