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The logical reason for the war in the middle-east is control of resources. Morality has nothing to do with it. I don't support that war. I would have rather plugged billions of dollars into research for alternative energy sources.

You mentioned the Illuminati. Do you believe in this organization? If you do; proof? I have only seen circumstantial evidence. Perhaps you have something I don't.

War is pretty cool

If you want proof look on the back of the US $1 bill is it?.. or I dont remember what bill.. but it has the Illuminati symbol right on it.

And also: "The Role of Kabbalah in the United States"

YouTube Video

If the Illuminati is so dead then why does their symbol live on in the United States?.. Nowhere else in the world stays true to that symbol so very much, and the country was founded by the Illuminati.

here's one witness account (she is dead now..)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=515jTdu9Q-E

another one of Svali.. and she says a lot fo things that I already knew, exactly how I've always described..
#2 video of Svali


here's an ex FBI agent talking about it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL4Koc6TfSE

Unless you're going to go the O'Brien route, power is not an end, it is a means. People wish to obtain power in order to do something specific that serves their ends, their goals.


Who is that?


To what end?


Quote him, then. Oh, I know, he once said the words "New World Order" in a speech. He certainly did not delineate plans of a massive conspiracy to enslave the world. It seems to me a few steps have been skipped in connecting the dots here.


Riiight. Inflation is real. It is a monetary phenomenon that can be measured and has noticeable effects. How is inflation not real? You do realize that inflation existed before the wide-spread issuance of paper fiat currency right?


It is real in the sense that it is composed of matter, or, in the case of credit, represents a future claim on something that is composed of matter. If you are arguing against fiat currency, there are pros and cons to commodity currency vs fiat currency. Unless you are pretty well steeped in Austrian economic theory, it would be best not to start that debate.


OK then, I want to live the kind of life where my freedom of travel is unrestricted and there is some level of uniformity in laws so that I don't get too confused if and when I travel. I also want to be able to purchase imported goods if they are cheaper or better than domestically produced ones. I want to have the option of getting a job somewhere else if I can't get one where I am now. I want to be able to have fairly unrestricted communication with acquaintances from various places. I want to worship God as I see fit and be permitted to express my views and opinions without threat of reprisal. Is there anything I have to fear from a continental or global government that I don't have to fear from a local one? If not, then your alternative to global government based on those threats can only be anarchism.

This is an alleged illuminati symbol (if the organization does exist at all.)



Okay. So she says. But there is no way to verify it. There isn't even a way to verify if she is dead. Also the producers of one of these videos 'saintbirgitta.com' also tried to pass off fuzzy video from the childrens movie "The Water Horse" as proof of the loch ness monster. Consider your sources here.



Again. He claims to be this. There is no way to prove it. If you look on youtube there are dozens, possibly hundreds of people claiming to be formerly associated with some three letter agency or another, who are letting the American public know the 'truth' about everything from this to mind control and back to aliens.

The kabbalah blurb, to my mind looks like a video chop from a fundamentalist rant. Sorry. I consider these sources suspect in their lack of objectivity or possible intent.

To what end? Power.. "Power is not an end"..

Well what are you implying?.. that power is not a desired goal?.. you're using useless symantics to win a debate.. i lack the motivation to debate with the likes of you.. there's no point. It doesn't seem like you really care about the issue you're just on a mission to debunk theories. I dont have all the time in the world to go fact hunting for someone who doesn't care.

Debating tactics? Whatever. You could try answering my questions, but you can't adequately address monetary theory because you haven't studied Austrian economics enough to understand the rationale for a gold standard, and you haven't studied any form of economics well enough to comprehend inflation. You can't show that Bush admitted the existence of a grand conspiracy because he never did. You can't give any more than vague general statements that have no basis in reality because if you tried to give specific facts it would be even more readily apparent how full of s**t you are. There is no inherent reason why a global government, or a continental government, would be detrimental to my life in any way that a national, state, or local government is not.

You want stupid debating tactics? Fine. Refute one of the above statements and we can say you win.

Audio is submittable evidence in a courtroom therefore the audio of her explanations are valid evidence even though they are not proof.

Again, he claims to be and represents a strong peice of evidence of the corruption in the FBI.

I dont see the intent in them other than documenting legitimate evidence.. if those people were out to lie then they would surely choose something a little bit more rediculous, like "ive been abducted by aliens"

Ah, you changed your post while I was responding. No, power is not a desired goal. Power is something that is used to achieve other goals. Power is useless if you don't do anything with it. What would be the point of being in charge if you didn't want to use your control for something? I'm not using semantics to win a debate, I'm trying to figure out what your beliefs even are. They don't seem very well-defined, though that is unsurprising for a disciple of Alex Jones. What issue do I not care about? In my post, yes, I was just interesting in debunking your theory, but only because your theory is a load of bull. I just pointed out where you made statements that are objectively false. You won't win supporters to your beliefs by making statements that are factually inaccurate, especially on an Aspie forum where people can tend to be pretty anal about little details.

I have to agree here. Sorry. Power for the sake of it is not an end. Survival is. What does this theoretical group have to gain to maximize their chances of survival?

Why is there a need to take such extraordinary measures to do so?

Inflation is the cause of producing more paper money in the country then there is Gold, and in the case of the US, the amount of Gold has not been audited in a long time, and it is only estimated that when it is audited, the dollar will be worth about four pennies..

The reason for inflation is because the government borrows money from the Federal Bank Reserve owned by David Rockefeller, and pays interest on it, so when inflation occurs and is re-assessed, the only way to maintain the value of the dollar is to lower prices and boost taxes.. In the end when the government is audited the dollar will drop so low that the middle class will be whiped out.
Right now the income tax (and always has been) is a tax that pays off the debt to the Federal Bank Reserve, and it is an illegal tax, and people are illegally criminalized for not paying them sometimes.. although in some instances people have been successful in winning their cases of not paying income tax because it was recognized in the courtroom that there is no law stating that it is necessary..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDKcwytKkrY

It's a Luciferian, satanic and real group, not a theoretical one, nor purely for profits.. but profits are big.

I will assume you meant "caused by" and not "cause of." The US dollar is not backed by gold (nor is any major world currency) so the amount of gold in US reserves is irrelevant to the value of the dollar. Now, you keep saying that the dollar "will be worth 4 cents." I think you are misquoting one of Jones's favorite lines about how the current US$ is worth 4 cents as compared to the dollar in 1913. This is roughly accurate, but that is because of the cumulative effect of nearly a century of inflation, which acts in an exponential manner. The annual inflation rate has generally not been horrible, though there have been periods when it was certainly higher than optimal. And the cause of inflation is debate even among economists. Let's take the easy way out and follow the idea that inflation is caused by an increase in the money supply when the government prints more money. That doesn't make inflation less real. It might be a good reason to demand that monetary policy be reformed, but most economists agree that deflation would be far worse than inflation, and deflation is what would probably be expected from a gold standard.


The reason for inflation is growth in the money supply. Rockefeller does not own the entire Federal Reserve. He's wealthy, but not that wealthy.\


There is a law establishing the IRS, and IRS policies can have the force of law. The income tax pays for more than that; show me a source of actual hard numbers not from an explicitly conspiracist site. Preferably internal IRS documentation.


So, you have not managed to refute my inflation point. Feel free to address another of the issues I raised. Shouldn't the easiest be Bush admitting the existence of the NWO? After all, you stated with such certainty that he had openly and frankly acknowledged it, surely it wouldn't be hard to demonstrate that.

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*sigh*

I didn't ask about their possible religious affiliations. I asked how this would promote their own chances of survival. You didn't answer my question.

Well, you see, because it is a Satanic group, they needn't have any motive for doing something other than the fact that it is evil.

They've been doing that since the institution of mandatory public schooling. and the military drills for it have been going on... forever? a long time.


if you think you need a regular paycheck to survive with dignity, you're already a slave. you can pick your duties to an extent, but there are always duties to be done, or you'll be Severely Punished by your unknown masters.

if you come home from your job to a Tasty Adult Beverage (or favorite substitute) and the latest sports on tv, you're a slave who will never rebel.

also, bilderberger, bohemian grove, black helicopters, oh my.

/alex jones is the head of the illuminati
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