true nature of truth

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How will you know in truth that you have released your ego and stripped yourself of preconceived notions, and that you truly have the desire to know the truth though? If you think you have done all 3 of those but haven't, then you will find a false truth. Not only that, but how can any pursuit of truth continue without preconceived notions? How will we get our foundation? Raw data does not mean a connection to any fundamental thing.

See AG, I fail to see how this postmodern "nothing is real" thinking is helpful for anyone, either for the individual, or for the collective effort of the community. In what POSSIBLE way is this helpful? I mean besides a security blanket of irrational over-philosophy to protect ignorance?

The ability to seek truth is within everyone, but most just aren't strong enough to break past their conditioning. Which is ok, I'm not here to judge anyone.

I've heard all this before from various people on this forum, so bear with me as I try to go inside the collective mind here. But at some point this "how can you determine facts unbiasedly without having walked in someone else's shoes" s**t only goes so far too, before it just becomes plumb irrational and illogical.

I can put myself in another person's shoes, do I know EXACTLY what their life is like? No, but I know enough to make a rational decision.... Example, just because I'm not Christian doesn't mean I can't understand why it's wrong for Christians (or people of any faith) to force feed their beliefs onto secular society through legislation. Just because I'm not a poor black man in the ghetto doesn't mean I'm not in a position to call Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson racists. That doesn't mean I jump to the other extreme and march in the kkk either. So...That also doesn't mean I can't criticize myself equally. Criticism is not a horrible thing, it's mere logical deduction.

Truth doesn't know a doctrine, it doesn't know a race, nation, gender, political theory, culture, etc. It doesn't take sides in human affairs. It is independent of human emotions. So seeking truth requires not putting an emotional investment into any other peoples' opinions. Being an individual, standing alone basically (because truth isn't ever popular). That's all it takes, is to not put an emotional investment into other peoples' opinions/beliefs (or even in my own, gotta be willing to admit if I make a mistake somewhere, truth progresses over time). And a thirst for knowledge and wisdom. That's all.

Logic is my referee between the emotions of the hive minds, in determining where the truth lays when a fence is set. I try to call things fairly, evenly. All this postmodern "nothing is real" thinking can't possibly help anyone. You get way to overkill-philosophical to the point where it's not even rational or logical dude. Honestly. There's a point where philosophy goes overboard and throws the baby out with the bath water. What this is, is a way for people (in general) to have a security blanket to protect their ignorance and to deny common since. There has been a cultural attack on common since and rationality as long as the 2000 generation rolled in. So it comes as no surprise if by now, people can't any longer comprehend common since. That's just how much people have been dummied down (no offense, I say that in the most respectful way I can).
It's a product of a psychopathic culture intent on living in illusion and in a state of utter Babylon until theyr so far in the hole they can't climb out. They try to use over-philosophy postmodern new age "nothing is real" crap so nobody can ever be right or wrong, so nobody gets offended. But it doesn't usually work that way, now does it?...... And you don't see the danger in people being cut off from reality, and living in psychopathic delusions? It really is a psychopathic culture.

Dude, I'm not gonna waste my time in these circular, nowhere-going arguments with you AG because it's pointless. I'm just making my statement and leaving it at that. YOU can't expect YOURSELF to be honest, which obviously tells me your not that hungry for knowledge or wisdom at all. But you brag about your ego. I'm not gonna argue dude, I just wanted to say my piece and that was it. I've argued with you before, it goes nowhere, it's an endless loop.

It is not that nothing is true, it is that we may not know the truth. You have never proposed any solution to this problem except to appeal to intuition (which of course I may reject with no argument at all) and to decry "postmodernism" (though of course skepticism and solipsism go back much further than postmodernism).

Common "since" is just code for "it is self evident". Yet of course we critically analyze things because that which is self evident to some generation is bollocks to another.

You want proof, why not pick up one of the dozen kajillion books written by high ranking freemasons and s**t where they openly brag about all this stuff... Yeah, they wrote books for the express purpose of bragging, books like Secrets of the Federal Reserve, Morals and Dogma (a whole book discussing the "mysteries" of the "elite", that openly s**ts all over us "profane" people all the way through it, and exposes religion openly), Tragedy and Hope, Impact of Science on Society, Next Million Years, Legacy of Malthus, among others.

Hell I've shown you several clips of these people openly admitting to the NWO, politicians and s**t, UN people, admitting it openly. And yet, you've done intellectual back flips to deny this. But, I'm not gonna push it on you, I posted this article for those who wanted to hear it.

My little postmodernism rant was aimed at AG's statement, hence why I quoted AG, not you. At some point the "how do we know" s**t falls into postmodernism. If it means nobody can know any truth, no matter how much they've investigated it, no matter how much evidence they've found, then it's bull crap.

Not being willing to accept evidence isn't not having evidence, not being willing to accept evidence is pre-conceived prejudiced to an opinion that can ultimately keep someone in denial.... But that's your choice, like I said, I'm not pushing anything on you. I posted this hear for the people who wanted to hear it. Actually I'm done with this thread, if anyone wants to write me, pm me. I'm trying to wing myself off these forums.

You're equivocating.

Your doing intellectual back flips and acrobatics to deny the obvious. Hell you gave me a link about DARPA creating machines to eliminate people, and you've claimed to wanna work on such a project (although in reality I think they've got scientific cybornetics and bio implanted chips more in mind than creating robots to replace people).

That's not the same as NWO, at least not as you describe it.

Quit equivocating.

W/e dude, new agers say "nothing is real", the sleepwalkers in general say "nothing is evidence". I guess a confession doesn't count as evidence anymore.

Did George Bush admit that the Illuminati run the world? Yes or no will do.

And if the NWO is a 'conspiracy', why isn't it secret?

Truth is a journey. Asking questions, especially difficult seeming ones, is an act of faith. Faith in the One that provided the capacity to explore and use reason. Also it is humility to admit that you may be completely mistaken yet not to change without solid evidence. Lastly it is peace with the unknown and, perhaps, the unknowable. The true Law is love, true gift is freedom; and with freedom comes both great privilege and responsibility.

Sadly, this does yet seem to be a society that has wished for freedom but never grasped the responsibilities implied there in.

Perhaps life is not like a fountain.

Exactly, there is no conspiracy, it's an open agenda. That's why I don't like being called a "conspiracy theorist". It's neither a conspiracy nor a theory.

Wise words my friend.

It's both. What can you actualy prove, snake?

Thank you Snake. I accept uncertainty but that in no way cancels out the Divine.

I too accept uncertainty, but uncertainty in no way cancels out the Divine, ie. God. QFT.