14 Oct 2008, 3:43 pm
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DentArthurDent wrote:
Religion requires faith because there is nothing to peer review
Faith is a powerful tool. It is highly rational to believe in something so effective/productive, which enables you to do something you spent the previous 20 years trying and failing to do, but is suddenly happening, simply because of applying "faith", the ancient tool invented by religion.
Science, and atheism, unfortunately do not encourage faith. Which is a shame because it is something that many AS are particularly in need of, being often not only unwilling, but actually unable, to do anything if it does not make sense, logical/"rational" sense, to them. This is a problem in many areas of life.
I wonder whether the increasing absence of training in faith, once ( till 50-70 years ago ?) taught and encouraged in schools and church attendance, has had a negative impact on AS capacity for productive/creative effort on longterm projects requiring a daily drudge/stint of work which makes no sense except as part of the longer effort, and which it is nigh on impossible to sustain without faith.
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14 Oct 2008, 3:51 pm
14 Oct 2008, 3:59 pm
Fnord wrote:
Quantum mechanics supports Classical mechanics, because without Quantum principles there would be no universe to display Classic principles.
So quantum principles created the universe
Do you have an argument to support this theory?
{Normally I find technical subjects uninteresting, but ought to know more about them, as I intend to write philosophy_ _}
14 Oct 2008, 4:19 pm
14 Oct 2008, 4:26 pm
ouinon wrote:
DentArthurDent wrote:
Religion requires faith because there is nothing to peer review
Faith is what you get out of religion. It is a powerful tool. It is highly rational to believe in something so effective/productive, which enables you to do something you spent the previous 20 years trying and failing to do, but is suddenly happening, simply because of applying "faith", the ancient tool invented by religion.
Your theory seems fresh and interesting to me, Ouinon, although slightly one-sided.
For example, while I can imagine that fewer conscious thoughts about what my body was doing (and more faith in those actions) might have made me less clumsy at sports when I was younger, I also imagine NTs to have more of a 'feeling' for what they're able to do, rather than the void that opens up for us when we suppress thinking.
I'm very curious about your take on the biblical idea of 'faith moves mountains'. I'm not religious, but I do feel that many religions also rely on 'peer-review', even if it's not always possible to know what one is peer-reviewing. {For example, is Christ simply an archetype within all of us?} In this case, though, are you referring to faith in your relationship to an aspect of the world, or to the effects of having faith in a religious principle?
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Science, and atheism, unfortunately do not encourage faith. Which is a shame because it is something that many AS are particularly in need of, being often not only unwilling, but actually unable, to do anything if it does not make sense, logical/"rational" sense, to them. This is a problem in many areas of life.
I wonder whether the increasing absence of training in faith, once ( till 50-70 years ago ?) taught and encouraged in schools and church attendance, has had a negative impact on AS capacity for productive/creative effort on longterm projects requiring a daily drudge/stint of work which makes no sense except as part of the longer effort, and which it is nigh on impossible to sustain without faith.
I wonder whether the increasing absence of training in faith, once ( till 50-70 years ago ?) taught and encouraged in schools and church attendance, has had a negative impact on AS capacity for productive/creative effort on longterm projects requiring a daily drudge/stint of work which makes no sense except as part of the longer effort, and which it is nigh on impossible to sustain without faith.
Don't you think this has more to do with confidence? If we fail in social and other situations early on, won't this lead us, rationally or irrationally, to the (false) conclusion that all our efforts are doomed to failure?
14 Oct 2008, 4:32 pm
undefineable wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Quantum mechanics supports Classical mechanics, because without Quantum principles there would be no universe to display Classic principles.
So quantum principles created the universe
Do you have an argument to support this theory?
{Normally I find technical subjects uninteresting, but ought to know more about them, as I intend to write philosophy_ _}
You might want to read The first 3 minutes by Steven Weinberg
14 Oct 2008, 4:45 pm
Haliphron wrote:
undefineable wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Quantum mechanics supports Classical mechanics, because without Quantum principles there would be no universe to display Classic principles.
So quantum principles created the universe
Do you have an argument to support this theory?
{Normally I find technical subjects uninteresting, but ought to know more about them, as I intend to write philosophy_ _}
You might want to read The first 3 minutes by Steven Weinberg
As an autistic, I've been a reading addict amost of my adult life, dammit! Maybe I'll stick to existentialism {Not much scientific relevance there!}
There again, my friend's philosophy tutor tells him to find the right 'fragments' rather than just gobbling up whole books of non-fiction
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