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20 Jan 2009, 8:55 am

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Just wondering if atheism is common among ASs or not.


It is.



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22 Jan 2009, 5:40 am

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Just wondering if atheism is common among ASs or not.


neer been diagnosed as aspergers, but I do not have a problem with atheism or agnosticism and at time have considered myself agnostic. right now my views on such matters are ineffable.


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22 Jan 2009, 7:00 am

I wouldn't say atheism is common among ASs or not based on this site alone.


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22 Jan 2009, 7:20 am

z0rp wrote:
I wouldn't say atheism is common among ASs or not based on this site alone.



Recent surveys have shown a strong link between atheism and higher levels of intelligence. I'm not saying that all intelligent people are atheists and all stupid people are believers, there is just a higher proportion. People with aspergers often have normal or above average intelligence, so I'd expect there to be a disproportionate number of atheists on this site, particularly on this forum.

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22 Jan 2009, 9:06 am

Perhaps the thread title should be "Any atheists not here?"



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22 Jan 2009, 9:13 am

z0rp wrote:
I wouldn't say atheism is common among ASs or not based on this site alone.


Based on this site I would say it does seem to be common, but really, random posts on a website aren't any sort of indication. But I think it would make sense that people on the spectrum are atheist at a higher rate than the rest of the population, if the main (or one of the main) deficits in autism is a problem with theory of mind, in the sense of a failure to automatically assume the existence of a mind similar to one's own behind other people's eyes, well then wouldn't that put you one step further away than other people from assuming the existence of a mind operating behind nature?



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22 Jan 2009, 9:49 am

TallyMan wrote:
z0rp wrote:
I wouldn't say atheism is common among ASs or not based on this site alone.



Recent surveys have shown a strong link between atheism and higher levels of intelligence. I'm not saying that all intelligent people are atheists and all stupid people are believers, there is just a higher proportion. People with aspergers often have normal or above average intelligence, so I'd expect there to be a disproportionate number of atheists on this site, particularly on this forum.

<dives for cover before all the insults hit> :o

Yes I've seen those surveys. Then again, intelligent people tend not to be ignorant. Ignorance really is the main reason I see for why a large portion of people are religious.


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23 Jan 2009, 4:45 am

Having AS and being an Atheist is one hell of a way to alienate yourself. But neither are a choice.

I'm thinking of starting a group: The Autistic Atheist Artist Alliance. Want to join? It's kind of hard to find members.......

We could call it 4A. (Foray?)



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23 Jan 2009, 8:21 am

z0rp wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
z0rp wrote:
I wouldn't say atheism is common among ASs or not based on this site alone.



Recent surveys have shown a strong link between atheism and higher levels of intelligence. I'm not saying that all intelligent people are atheists and all stupid people are believers, there is just a higher proportion. People with aspergers often have normal or above average intelligence, so I'd expect there to be a disproportionate number of atheists on this site, particularly on this forum.

<dives for cover before all the insults hit> :o

Yes I've seen those surveys. Then again, intelligent people tend not to be ignorant. Ignorance really is the main reason I see for why a large portion of people are religious.


Never mind the insults, and you won't have to dive for cover. Correlating intelligence with religious belief or lack thereof is pretty tacky. Almost as tacky as correlating intelligence with a person's race.



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23 Jan 2009, 8:30 am

Although it is much to mainstream for me to conform to atheism, (any ways it seems a closed minded, self centered philosophy, no greater good, no purpose, no use.)
I only believe in religion as a means for a common understanding of good will, for the unimaginative.

I am not religious but I have sat in church occasionally, to catch the pipe organ bits and feel the warm energy from the more whole and righteous people there.

What a depressing experience an atheist rally must be. (I guess even If it was rock nad roll I would'nt have fun if it was anti anything). I only feel good if I am into something positive.

How I have developed an opinion with regards to GOD:
..... I was at a cross roads at 18 and I asked god for the main directive, in order for me to decide weather I should continue to fight the good fight or allow the evil that others around me were immersed in, into my heart. I knew this question was the most real thing that I was ever going to ask. ( and the last one I would ask god, if there was no answer than he didn't care about my suffering. Or didn't exist.) I don't do anything halfway. With hate and revenge as the alternatives to my desperate state of disappointment formed from the intense, human delivered torture's of my spirit, yet still believing in God and his light. ( I just imagined what he is and he is what I imagined, to me.)
When I looked up into the sky my body stiffened and I felt all of my pain, at this very moment a large black bird silently glided over my head and came into view as it flapped its wings gracefully gaining altitude.
I didn't argue. My stiffness of body was gone and in its place all my hair stood up. A sense of divinity and my individual part in a wonderful design rejuvenated my purpose. I chose the difficult path. I imagine I won't ever forget that cool evening in august, the smell of the storm coming the rich green grass, and the feeling that came over me when that bird fit the answer I was looking for. out loud I said broken with surprise and excitement "OK, OK, I got it , I'm good, Thank you for answering me. sorry for doubting you." I have experienced similar coincidences a number of difficulty's since. I have never doubted in the God that I realized was actually listening. God has never intervened in my life, that I can factor in, but his guidance slaps me upside the head, regularly, With humility I listen the best that I can. and have been climbing and falling ever since.

........The answer lies in the question, if you know what you need to ask.

You can quote the bible written by mortal man.

You can chose a scientific hypothesis.

Or you can let your spirit do the walking and your God do the talking. There need only be one God. The one that you are comfortable with.

Why borrow religious ideals and deities unless they fit your own sense. I find most tend to be a little distorted.

A Greater purpose in harmony with you comprehension.



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23 Jan 2009, 8:40 am

z0rp wrote:
Ignorance really is the main reason I see for why a large portion of people are religious.


I think another reason people are religious is psychological dependence. They have a need to feel that a god exists overseeing everything and that there is a reason or purpose for their life and that at the end of it there is maybe an afterlife and a heaven.

Such people will always shun any science or education that would conflict with their beliefs. Their own sanity is more important to them than the truth.

Do you take the blue pill and wake up in your bed believing whatever you want to believe or take the red pill and see how deep the rabbit hole really goes? :wink:


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23 Jan 2009, 8:46 am

Is it necessary for you to belittle others in order to feel good about yourself? :roll:



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23 Jan 2009, 8:51 am

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Is it necessary for you to belittle others in order to feel good about yourself? :roll:


If you are referring to my post it is simply how I see the matter, there is no intent to belittle or to feel good, it is simply my analysis of religious belief. Some people find truth hurtful.


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23 Jan 2009, 9:00 am

Mutual acceptance might work


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23 Jan 2009, 9:03 am

TallyMan wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Is it necessary for you to belittle others in order to feel good about yourself? :roll:


If you are referring to my post it is simply how I see the matter, there is no intent to belittle or to feel good, it is simply my analysis of religious belief. Some people find truth hurtful.


Yeah, that's the stuff. Good ol' Aspie aloofness.



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23 Jan 2009, 9:17 am

Did either of you slowmutant and tallyman, notice my dog gone points on pg 9 about a third bleedin option or must you fight like the Protestants vs Catholics. c mon take a peak. Can you see things different from your opposing polarities.


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