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That's really cool, Khan Sama. I had a friend once who was of the Baha'i faith and he was one of the most beautiful and cordial people I've ever met.

thats great you are all flexable with it. but most muslims, arent. they believe allah is the only way and the unbeliever must be put to death, wow thats something i'd imagine god is all up on. judiasm started the popularity of your god, and the christians god. that is what i mean, not the non religious guy who created the universe, and every muslim ive ever talked to cannot answer me the question who replaced jesus off of the cross. why? then there would be no need for a saviour.

islam is like every other continuation of a former religions interpitation, with their own twists

Those are some interesting views. Khan_Sama. If you are interested in Baha'i, Nominalist is a Baha'i and very well educated in regards to several religious traditions.

Yes! I agree. Baha'i are very warm folk.



Muslims in general are very tolerant. It's only fanatics like the wahaabis (half my family is wahaabi ) and ayatollahs who create all these problems. Yes, Muslims do believe that only they will go to heaven, although the Qur'an makes it clear that Christians and Jews will too. Muslims do believe that he died on the cross, however, they don't believe he's dead. They believe that he will return on the day of judgement. So, he's still technically a saviour for them, along with the "Mahdi".



That's very informative! Merci beaucoup!

Peace.

Little MissPickwickian in the Mosque on the not-prairie topic

Young people change ideologies quite rapidly. If such a conversion helps with identity issues, why not? Now you are a Muslima. I would worry more about a cult, not an extablished religion.

Some of the scarves the women wear are quite beautiful.

Peace be upon you.

well thats very nice to know, i didnt know that muslims think christians and jews all go to heaven aswell. and about the jesus thing they told me it was left a mystery who replaced jesus on the cross but allah took him or something. thats intresting about the mahdi. is he like your saviour? it seems like whats going on here is theres something for everyone, exept for jews because they dont believe in a afterlife. jesus for the christians and the mahdi for the muslims,

anyways thanks for talking the time to answer my qustions, i actually like the non violent muslims.

Why should I sue you? Did becoming a muslim make you cause me harm? Really, suing is an expensive proposition and I only do it when I think I can make millions off of the person involved. Are you the person who will make me financially independant?

Oops, sorry, I made a mistake. The vast majority of Muslims believe that he's alive, and that God spirited him away to heaven. I believed that he died. http://www.free-minds.org/Jesus

Sunni and Shi'a Muslims (but not Ibadi, a small group of around 1.5 million, who believe in very few hadith, numbering 1005, Sunnis and Shi'a believe in around 40,000 each approximately) believe in a Mahdi, or saviour. The Bab, from Shiraz, Iran, was one of the many people who claimed to have been the Mahdi. He later said that he was a manifestation of God, leading to the development of the Bayanic faith (followers were called Babis), which became the Baha'i faith after Bahaullah claimed to have been the next manifestation of God. Kind of like Jesus following John the baptist. There are a few Babis, called Azalis, left, kind of like how there are Mandaens who adore John the baptist but call Jesus a liar. Bahaullah claimed to have been the return of Jesus, the last avatar of Vishnu, the return of Imam Hussain, etc. Basically, he claimed to have been the saviour which was prophecised by virtually every major faith.

http://www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/

Personally, I believe that "Mahdi" is a term that was coined by either Shi'a or the early Abassids. 3:81 of the Qur'an makes it clear that a "Messenger" is to appear in the future, who will confirm the scriptures. The Bab wrote the Persian and Arabic Bayan, confirming the Qur'an, while also explaining the Babi concept of the last judgement. My mind is still a little confused between the link of the Bab and the Mahdi, last judgement. This is one of the main things currently stopping me from becoming a Baha'i.

Peace.

so when you convert to islam do you "feel" anything, anything different ? just curious because most christians say they are transformed or whatever and thats how you really know its the truth, being transformed from who you used to be

I like using Allah more then Jehovah or Yahweh. I'm Christian but Allah is easier for me to spell and it's the same God anyway.

Besides, my faith is very odd. 1/2 Lutheran, 1/3 (unofficial) Neopagan/occult, and 1/6 SubGenus.

The last part kinda says it all.

I like saying Gah....

Same thing. I was born a Muslim, became an atheist in my mid-teens, and returned to Islam in July last year.

There are many ways to contact God/attempt to achieve Nirvana. One feels good regardless of religion. All paths are the same, they just go in different directions. I find peace and tranquility in some mosques, some temples, and some churches. Depends on the ambiance and mood of the worshipers.

Peace.

Why, is it a common practice to sue Muslims?

Erm, I did. More than 18 years ago. And I actually find it extremely offensive that you say no one in their right mind would convert to Islam.

Do you have any idea how small-minded and bigoted you sound?

Such condescension and patronisation allied to prejudice is a long way off from enlightenment to my mind, Transcension. I have met Muslims who display more of it than is contained within your false pity. Wake up to that within yourself that appears to you as enlightenment, but reeks to me of complacency (sorry to be so harsh but I thought your tone however unintentionally quite cruel, as well as displaying serious gaps in wisdom; I will concede that I myself have frequently been in need of similar rebukes to that which I have given you). Complacency is a luxury all of us can ill aford, by whichever path we seek truth and God; incidentally I am a Christian or Nazarene, one of the Ahl al-Kitab (People of the Book). Can the world have forgotten the time when learning was preserved spread and advanced in no small measure due to those you blythely assume incapable of true enlightenment? I will admit that I have ambivalent thoughts concerning Muhammad; while in the Meccan period it seems he was in many ways a good man, at least as much as many who have strived before and since; later developments in the Medinan period, and following his death conflicts under the four Caliphs of the Rashidun, I find profoundly troubling, though the history is fascinating. The rise of the Ummayad and Abbassid Caliphates served a clear purpose within Providence.

I hope the expression of these views is not offensive to you Miss Pickwickian?

Personally I thought it was a joke after she quoted "So sue me."

I have no prejudices against any religion unless extremists or fundatmentalists dictate onto a topic that has nothing to do with religion. I get sick of the fundies who are seem more inclined about what's a sin and what isn't when it relates to topics that go against Levitcus.

I'd have to ask if the same reactions from the posts would be the same toward people who became Christian. In my observation, I see a lot more nicer things being said here than I have seen at people who proclaim themselves Christians without using fundmental value in their "arguement."

I do think Khan_Sama is nice person about this sort of stuff. I notice he doesn't use hell, fire, and brimstone in his arguements or makes it clear that one view is right over the other. So congrads to that so far Khan.

But I'd have to ask if these reactions would be the same toward Christianity

BTW, I'm not speaking from a Christian's point of view...so don't even think about it....

I consider my views to be more on the agnostic side. I don't really put so much faith into the extreme of atheism just as I don't with religion. I find pros and cons of each interesting.

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