Israeli Apartheid

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People pay attention for two reasons I assume:
1) America has close ties with Israel, and
2) The middle east is to Europe as Mesoamerica is to the United States.

Perfectly true. When the Nazis invaded private Jewish homes, tossed the inhabitants out into the street and took their precious jewelry and paintings and other valuable for their own, it proved the point exactly. When the Israelis chased the Arabs out of their villages and took the land for their own with no compensation, it was exactly the same procedure. If that's the world you like to live in.

Of course. Thats basically what people do when they have the chance.

You don't have to be a majority to be in control. The Sunnis were not the majority in Iraq. Many gulf state the number of foreigner outnumber the number of citizens by a large margin.

Pilipino workers in these gulf sates have little rights. Until recently they were effectively indentured labourers, because they couldn't leave without their employer’s permission. They also get deported after a certain age regardless of family ties.

In the case of the West Bank, it is so carved up with settlers, that many Palestinians are is such dire straights it is either starve or support he occupation.

The Palestinian authority has good reason to be sceptical. These settlers don’t exist without the roads and infrastructure and the protection of the army. Instead of trying to forcefully remove these settler’s they should simply should give them an ultimatum: They either behave like law abiding citizens and move back to Israel or become renegade and which point the roads and the infrastructure and security should be cut off just like it is for the Palestinians.

The Isrealis are still building these roads, so really they have no moral authority in this area.

I didn't view the clip linked to at the start of the thread, but as this is an obvious bash-Israel exercise I thought I'd throw this in. Okay, Israel/ Palestine may be the current cause célèbre, but it's not hard to find examples of injustice carried out in our name, for our defence, in a similar way to Israel's government acts in the interest of its population.

Here's one that's relevant to the British and those from the US:



http://domain1164221.sites.fasthosts.com/index.htm

True. Even though I am a proud American I can honestly admit that my country has done things I am not proud of. However, that doesn't mean I have to support some terrorist country just because it's inhabitants practice the religion that was pushed on me in my youth.

Israel has similar values to the the US and its allies in Europe. Israel's main adversaries generally have a belief system that's been manipulated to place the destruction of your country and those values as a central goal. If you have to support one side, is it not reasonable to support Israel?

Considering what the USA did in Haiti, Panama, Nicaragua, and keeping in mind its policies of torturing prisoners in Cuba and other CIA prisons and the methods it used to take Texas from Mexico and the bulk of its territory from the American Indians I would have to agree with you entirely.

Yes because a the US has a law against holocaust denial with a prison sentence

It is funny those who criticised Germany over the last extradition farce wouldn't dare criticise Israel if they had known they have the same law.

One of the biggest myths put forward by the Jewish lobby (they choose to refer to themselves as the Jewish lobby, more actuate would be Jewish Israeli Nationalist lobby, who happen to reside in the US and should probably hand return their Israeli passports under citizenship rules) is that the US shares the same values as Israel. That is not so true. There are other countries that share US values but don’t get nearly as much support. The amount of influence the Jewish lobby gets is grossly disproportional to real national and public interest. The fact of the matter is these people play on victimology just like Palestinian groups do, except they are better at it an have had the support for longer and they are no longer living with widespread persecution.

There was a huge amount of guilt post WWII understandably, but it resulted in some very poor decisions and the world is still paying the price.

The old you country is no better repost.

That won't do, because we are not all ardent nationalists and will criticise our governments. That doesn't get other countries out of jail. Sorry it doesn't work like that.

as ruveyn succinctly pointed out, the issue of ownership is a BS argument anyway, whats relevant is that israeli government is subjecting the palestinian people to a measure of human, social and economic suffering that is no way proportionate to what palestinian armed groups have done to the israelis in the form of suicide bombings and rocket attacks. its a matter of humanism, not ownership or theft.

and of course that in no way excuses the conduct of the IDF

Flat out false. Such a law would be in direct contradiction to the first amendment.

There is no law in the U.S. against denying the holocaust happened.

ruveyn

Err...obviously I have to explain this: Israel does therefore the US does not share Israeli values. Gedit?

No, but in many parts of Europe there are. I personally believe that it was indeed around 6 million Jews killed. But I don't see why someone should be held accountable by law for stating an opinion. If holocaust deniers want to spout their crap, let them make asses of themselves.

Israel has this law. Would you like me to refer you to the statutes?

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Anti-Semitism ... 1986-.html

But the U.S. does not.

ruveyn