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Please re-read the chain of posts regarding "Atlantis". Some people believe that what Plato called "Atlantis" was actually the island of Santorini. Others speculate that much of civilization during the most recent ice age was concentrated on the continental shelves, and that when the glaciers melted, the waters rose, flooded out most of those coastal cities, and left behind myths that Plato compiled into his "Atlantis" account.

It's the science-fiction writers who insinuated the idea of a "Gernsbackian" society (space ships and zap guns) into the "Atlantis" mythos that has caused so many headaches. Most of what many people believe of that myth is little more than wishfull thinking, with as much credibility as that story about a fat old guy who drives a sleigh, plays with elves, and runs a toy factory at the North Pole ...

As for the Garden of Eden? Meh ... the so-called "Fertile Crescent" that ran from the lower Nile, then across and between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers is often speculated to be the source of the "Garden of Eden" stories. It was allegedly a very lush and verdent area during and towards the end of the last ice age. Climactic changes, over-grazing, and too many people are what turned most of the area into today's desert.

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I don't believe in a grand conspiracy. It's true there's always been people who act behind the scenes, some for good reasons others with malicious intent. But it's a big jump to say all, or at least most, of these people are somehow connected.

Human nature is simply chaotic, that's why bad things happen. People just want to blame everything on some grand conspiracy to make themselves feel better. This is because a conspiracy can be fought against, no matter how one-sided the battle would seem be, human nature however simply is. You can lessen the more negative traits of human nature, but you can never fully eliminate it.

I thought I heard somewhere that the medieval Arabs accidentally destroyed the ancient irrigation systems too. Or something like that...

The Atlantis was the Garden of Eden.

Thanks for the link Magnus. Interesting read.

IMO we should be validating the large quantity of several millenia old art, depicting what appear to be aliens as well as their craft, recovered in virtually every part of the world. This art and other evidence points in the direction that intelligent aliens exist and have been visiting planet Earth for 6000 years and perhaps a million years or more. The thought of aliens existing on Earth creeps me out...and there is probably more chance they do than they don't.

I have seen what was possibly a UFO only once and it could have been a hallucination or a vision but didn't feel like either of those. It's my only experience with something that might have been alien. It was an orange sphere resting on the ground on Mt. Shasta, California. There've been many UFO sitings on the mountain. The sphere was no more than 20 feet in diameter and I nearly stumbled smack into it while I was hiking the mountain. It seemed to instantly materialize out of another dimension, just a few feet to my right.

The thing I find most intriguing is when unnatural structures are found on places like Mars and the moon of Saturn, Iapetus. Artificial appearing structures have the probability of having been created by alien beings...or even by ancient Earth humans.

It's a no-brainer our governments don't want us to know anything about alien involvement with Earth activities. Our governments don't want us knowing there is even a chance that alien beings could exist. Doesn't matter though. 15-20% of people feel they do. I believe aliens are currently quite actively involved with our affairs but of course I have absolutely no way of proving that. And I'm a little relieved to not know for sure actually.

I believe in the Atlantis that existed approx 12,000 years ago. And also in Lemuria which existed prior to and concurrently with Atlantis. I had a vision of a friend piloting an Atlantean orange balloon [similar to the orange sphere I saw on Mt. Shasta] where he was primarily doing search and rescue operations for Lemurians hiding out in caves and underground shelters.

I'm thinking either I lived in Atlantis and saw these orange spheres or balloons when I was there approx 12,000 years ago. Or...this ship was sent from Atlantis into the future where I stumbled upon it...Either way it's weird...Atlantis may exist in a parallel universe potentially more available to us than if it existed 12,000 years ago. Then again, it is most likely of all that I had a hallucination or a vision. I know seeing my friend pilot the orange balloon was definitely a vision.

And what artificial appearing structures would those be?

Art, being subjective in nature, depicts only what the artist wants others to see, and only insofar as the artist has skill. Thus, the meaning behind whatever the artist was trying to depict died with the artist. There is no way to determine if the artist was depicting alien visitations or a close-up of a squashed bug.


A "UFO" is merely an object, flying in the sky, that the observer can not identify. "Might have been" is insufficient proof of alien intelligence or construction. Without material evidence of what the observer has seen, his or her word is to be discounted if not outright discredited.


What un-natural structures? What makes you think they are un-natural? An object may appear un-natural to the untrained observer, but that appearance alone does not make them un-natural.


Mere popular belief does not make a fantasy real. If the government really didn't "want us knowing there is even a chance that alien beings could exist," then there would be no reputable scientists addressing that very possibility, and no mention at all of any experiments that look for life on other worlds.


Again, mere belief does not make a fantasy - or an alleged vision - real in any way, shape, or form.


Pure wishful thinking, imagination, and speculation - only this, and nothing more.

alba, thank you for sharing your vision about Atlantis. Have you read Edgar Cayce's reports about Atlantis?

Fnord, Plato was not a science fiction writer. I don't read the tabloids. Youtube is better than regular tv. Also, I stated clearly that I was had not made up my mind about the NWO. I keep an open mind about things.

It's easier to live in a world that is black and white, where rules and "proof" spouted in books and school do all the thinking for you. But, it takes a lot more grey matter to understand the grey areas of life. You mock faith, but having faith in oneself and one's own mind requires integrity, intelligence, and self-reliance. One must have this sort of faith when searching for any truth.

yw, thanks for the thread too


i've read a few books on Cayce but it was several years ago...


QFT


This is being posted in reply to twoshots and Fnord who won't even look at it, let alone read it. Magnus and others may find it interesting.

It's a 6 part report on Iapetus, a moon of Saturn...titled "Moon With A View"
www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

/moon2....../moon3....etc.

tl;dr

I would prefer a more technical writing oriented version. Y'know, one which doesn't try to cover up its shortcomings in a sea of language.

Youtube is, without a doubt, the largest concentration of stupidity on the internet, which is itself a mass ocean of stupidity without equal or peer in the whole of human history. TV is deeply stupid, which makes the accomplishment that much more amazing.

I noticed there was no reply about the Mars subject. Photos and topographic info now widely available on Mars, it would be perhaps too easy to be discredited. Are we talking about Cydonia again?

twoshots, you don't like documentaries, you don't like literature, you are way too smart for this universe.

Do you even realize how pompous this sounds?

Youtube is free, has no commercials, is not on a time schedule, contains music, seminars, artwork, etc. Why is that so bad? Here is your award, now go...





Can we talk about Phil Schneider now?

I would simply like a more concise explanation. You have to realize that it is quite necessary given a finite being to not invest too much time where there is no evident or even intuited prospect of reward, or I'd never get anything done. (I assure you, I'd absolutely love it if aliens were real and I've wished for such often)

It's a carefully honed image

Actually, a couple of aliens have recently been beaten to death on Long Island in New York City. No wonder the poor things are so elusive.

The way I see it, if something could affect my life/is affecting my life, that I am unaware of,
I will take the time to thoroughly research it to get to the bottom of it.

This guy Phil Schneider seems to believe what he says. I think it's worth looking into since if what he says is true, all of us are being affected by them already.

If aliens exist, then I think it's very important to know this. I've been reading cases of people who claim to have been abducted. There is one common thread that ties all of these people together. After they go through the "hero's journey" they wind up becoming environmentalists and/or anti war activists. The aliens warn of the destruction of the world in the near future. Of course, in the beginning these people despise the aliens as much as Phil Schneider did. After much time passes and they are able to assimilate the experience into their new consciousness, they claim to feel an immense amount of love for them.

Obviously the aliens should concentrate on abducting Republican congressmen and women. Or even better, be elected to congress themselves. Since Obama has beaten the race thing getting a big eyed grey thing elected should be no trouble at all. The ones with tentacles and an appetite for planting their eggs down the gullets of humans may have a bit of difficulty. If they keep their mouths shut and don't reveal that second set of jaws with teeth instead of a tongue they may be able to pass muster.