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17 Feb 2009, 10:10 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Ragtime, you seem to have forgotten about John 3:16.

That verse is the answer to your question and it is quite succinct.


Does that mean God goes around banging up young Jewish maidens? Shame on Him!

Then He sacrifices His own kid? If I did that I would be arrested, locked up and they would throw the key away. Shame, shame, double Shame!

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You're starting to sound less and less like a rabbinical 72-year old.



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18 Feb 2009, 8:33 am

If God decided to hang out with humans (again) would said humans even notice Him?



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18 Feb 2009, 8:42 am

slowmutant wrote:
If God decided to hang out with humans (again) would said humans even notice Him?


If he did that Bread and Fish thing, they would.

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18 Feb 2009, 12:49 pm

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If I was god, I would be looking away going..... "Oh god, what have I done?" :wall:

haha, yes, pretty much realising having screwed up by creating humans on earth in the first place, is that is what you mean. On the other hand, as a deity I would probably want to have pets, kinda like a kid having an ant farm.


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18 Feb 2009, 2:29 pm

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If I was god, I would be looking away going..... "Oh god, what have I done?" :wall:

haha, yes, pretty much realising having screwed up by creating humans on earth in the first place, is that is what you mean. On the other hand, as a deity I would probably want to have pets, kinda like a kid having an ant farm.


I have no idea what is meant by "a perfect deity" but a perfect deity certainly would not make mistakes. If the tales about God finding misbehaving humans and massacring them wholesale to turn things around are to be accepted, then the presumed God cannot be considered perfect.



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18 Feb 2009, 2:36 pm

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If God decided to hang out with humans (again) would said humans even notice Him?

The Christian God, probably not, but if he did, how can a christian tell, or would he not notice as well? there is an issue about Jesus in the gospels warning his followers about false prophets, so in that case, skepticism may rise even within christians given that I pressume, depending on how they take it within their beliefs. So that seems a bit problematic about a case in which God could decide to reveal himself, but, according to few interpretations of the Bible and denominations, Jesus wouldn't reveal himself physically until the second comming.


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18 Feb 2009, 4:49 pm

greenblue wrote:
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If God decided to hang out with humans (again) would said humans even notice Him?

The Christian God, probably not, but if he did, how can a christian tell, or would he not notice as well? there is an issue about Jesus in the gospels warning his followers about false prophets, so in that case, skepticism may rise even within christians given that I pressume, depending on how they take it within their beliefs. So that seems a bit problematic about a case in which God could decide to reveal himself, but, according to few interpretations of the Bible and denominations, Jesus wouldn't reveal himself physically until the second comming.


That's why the Second Coming wil be so special.

We've all been warned about false prophets, false gods.



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19 Feb 2009, 10:53 am

slowmutant wrote:
Ragtime, you seem to have forgotten about John 3:16.

That verse is the answer to your question and it is quite succinct.


I'm referring to modern times, between the First and Second Comings.
Both of those visits have both declared and hugely-important purposes. I'm saying that there might be a reason why
we don't physically see and hear more of God than we do, and suggesting that there's a reason
why Jesus ascended into Heaven at age 33, instead of deciding to live to 100 or even ~2,000 in order
to be with us for a longer span of time in the flesh. I believe the reason He left so soon might be connected with Him being holy -- set apart from us because we sin and He does not. But it could also be to better try our faith. Then again,
had He remained here for 2,000 years, performing many miracles, there would still exist some obstinate, at-least-outward doubters and conspiracy theorists. That's because real belief in the truth involves a willingness to be rational regardless of rationality's implications.

Yes, He loves us all, repentant and unrepentant,
but He obviously chooses to not exist on Earth in the flesh for the time being.


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19 Feb 2009, 11:00 am

ruveyn wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Ragtime, you seem to have forgotten about John 3:16.

That verse is the answer to your question and it is quite succinct.


Does that mean God goes around banging up young Jewish maidens? Shame on Him!

Then He sacrifices His own kid? If I did that I would be arrested, locked up and they would throw the key away. Shame, shame, double Shame!

ruveyn


What does "shame" mean? Modern society not approving of something? If so, shame is random and thus insignificant.


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19 Feb 2009, 11:03 am

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If I was god, I would be looking away going..... "Oh god, what have I done?" :wall:

haha, yes, pretty much realising having screwed up by creating humans on earth in the first place, is that is what you mean. On the other hand, as a deity I would probably want to have pets, kinda like a kid having an ant farm.


I have no idea what is meant by "a perfect deity" but a perfect deity certainly would not make mistakes. If the tales about God finding misbehaving humans and massacring them wholesale to turn things around are to be accepted, then the presumed God cannot be considered perfect.


Not true, but you make my job easy by being deaf to the explanation I would provide if you'd listen. :P So there.


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19 Feb 2009, 11:13 am

I hate to upset you guys, but there was no First Coming. Since there is no Messiah, we are unredeemed. I suspect we are irredeemable. We are, as we have always been the baddest smartest apes in the Monkey House. The Redemption of Mankind, assuming there is such a thing will be our evolving into something better by purely natural processes.

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19 Feb 2009, 12:06 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Sand wrote:
greenblue wrote:
MissConstrue wrote:
If I was god, I would be looking away going..... "Oh god, what have I done?" :wall:

haha, yes, pretty much realising having screwed up by creating humans on earth in the first place, is that is what you mean. On the other hand, as a deity I would probably want to have pets, kinda like a kid having an ant farm.


I have no idea what is meant by "a perfect deity" but a perfect deity certainly would not make mistakes. If the tales about God finding misbehaving humans and massacring them wholesale to turn things around are to be accepted, then the presumed God cannot be considered perfect.


Not true, but you make my job easy by being deaf to the explanation I would provide if you'd listen. :P So there.


There was no explanation. If you chose to speak nonsense don't expect anybody to worry over it as potentially meaningful.



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19 Feb 2009, 12:09 pm

I'm pantheistic here. I belive that God is Energy. Two different terminologies, same concept.



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19 Feb 2009, 5:24 pm

It rather depends on what you mean by 'perfect'.

The word teleios, used in the NT - "Be ye prefect, as your heavenly Father is perfect", as it's usually translated - does not mean 'morally flawless'. It means, roughly, complete or mature.

It follows on from a passage explaining how to radically, unconditionally love the people you regard as your enemies. The implication is that this how God loves. Complete, mature, grownup love doesn't demand you be a certain way to be lovable.

If you are a Christian, you must believe (because it's in the Gospels and you presumably believe the Gospels are true) that God incarnate was happy to party with whores and swindlers. So why do you think God transcendent has some kind of big problem accepting the human race? Unless you think William Blake had a point about the Father being very unlike the Son...


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20 Feb 2009, 9:18 am

Khan_Sama wrote:
I'm pantheistic here. I belive that God is Energy. Two different terminologies, same concept.


I thought you were Ba'hai?



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20 Feb 2009, 3:17 pm

Khan_Sama wrote:
I'm pantheistic here. I belive that God is Energy. Two different terminologies, same concept.

If god is energy, what is matter?


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