Is there any historic proof that Jesus existed?

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This is very true. None of the stories of the bible where meant to be taken literally, to do that would mean ignoring the message of the story itself, it's just mythical storytelling.
However when it comes to Jesus, his story was written years after his death, and there where other messias during the time that people claimed that he did the same things that Jesus could do.

I think the main reason that Jesus has credibility as a real person is the fact that is not mentioned only in the bible, he is mentioned in other texts.

Jesus who?

we cant even trust information thats more than a month old.

i just cannot trust 2000 year old sources.

plus, the entire myth existed long before the time of jesus.
jesus is, most likely, the latest "incarnation" of an ancient ancient myth.

imagine epic stories, read 2000 years from now. will people be debating if there ever was a interplanetary alliance, and some dude named "luke"? maybe they will go to wars over this "luke". except the "vaderists", they dont believe in "luke".

You can sometime: But you need to double-check with other sources and archological evidence - and you had to look for the source itself: Who wrote it, for what purpose, why and when?

Let stay with Tacitus: He made a career under the Flavian dynasty and had access to original sources (namely the files of the imperial chancellery). He wrote for people which had some knowledge regarding Rome's history of the recent years. But: He also had therefore a strong interest to show his dynasty in a better light than the previous one, the Julian-Claudian dynasty.

So he bias, but generally reliable.



Imagine you would have about L. Ron Hubbard only a small collection on books published by the Scientology sect ...

My own personal theory (although it's one that apparently a few scholars share) is that there may have been more than one person involved. Possibly neither of them actually named Y'shua, given how common a name it was (Joshua is another version) and that it would be highly symbolic to most Jews of the time, both for its meaning, 'God saves', and for the exploits of the Old Testament hero who bore the name and who actually led his people into the Promised Land.

What I see when I look at the Gospels is a bunch of different versions of a story that amalgamates two people. A political rebel who's all about his enemies getting theirs and who's looking to a future in which, with God's help and possibly in a supernatural manner, he'll make sure that happens as spectacularly and bloodily as possible. And a spiritual teacher who's all about love and forgiveness and about God being found in the here and now - not 'come the revolution', and not after you die. (This figure has had mythical stuff tagged onto him, some of it similar to stuff found in the Mysteries of other nearby cultures, because this was how the lives of wandering 'holy men' in that era were generally embellished.) And the two fit together very uneasily.

If you look at it this way, it seems pretty obvious that the history of Christianity is largely the story of the former viewpoint attempting to crush the latter out of existence.

The scenario is pretty much the same with the Baha'i faith, apart from the fact that we have no missionaries, only 'pioneers'. ^^

There do seem to be a few Islamic sources (at least, online) trying to debunk the faith, however.

I did read something from a guy (maybe Seutonias, I want to say Arminias...but that would be wrong on so many levels). The writer was 1st century Roman, a Christian, but not likely to have any direct sources. He was some church official (in the underground church). Hate when I can't remember a source.

The Church went through the New testaments sometime after Constantine, and threw out a lot of the books (the Apocrypha), so I suppose you could make a case for the non-existence of the 'community organizer' Yeshua Bar Yoseph....

but it is ironic how so many people have had the same hallucination...

Democracy is no justification for hallucination.

No, there isn't.

Which Jesus. Y'shuah is a fairly common Hebrew or Aramaic name.

ruveyn

I don't know anything about a first century Christian Roman writer. Suetionus wasn't in the first century, but in the early 2nd century and certainly not a Christian.

According to James Randi, there is no archeological evidence that Nazareth existed until 300 CE. I have not yet conducted source-check, so don't take my word for it.

No historical proof exists at all. The bible doesn't count.

Tonnes, I have translations of all the extra biblical proof. Here are the non-negotialbes.

1) was a preacher in judea
2) was exicuted wrongfully via crucixion
3) body dissipeared from the tomb

i will come back with quotes

This ought to be interesting...

Not wrongfully - he was not a Roman Citizen, so putting him to on the cross was the appropriate way of dealing with a trouble maker. Because he was no Roman Citizen or citizen of one the cities of Latian Law or Greek, he had no right to appeal to the Emperor or other instances, therefore the judgement of Pilatus was final according to law, because Pilatus was entitled to act as a Praetor in the province Syria.



Not a shred of evidence.



I will see ...