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07 Mar 2009, 7:45 am

No.

Unless you were consciously attempting suicice by smoking. Which would be a very strange way to kill yourself.

Unless you smoked a ridiculous number of cigarettes at a time. But that would just get you into the Guinness Book of Records. So even if you did die you would live on in posterity.

Constantine was an OK film, nothing special.



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07 Mar 2009, 8:38 am

Smoking is not a form of suicide at all. Anybody who thinks so is someone who likes to oppress the freedom of others.

Smoking is nothing but an unhealthy indulgence, just like being overweight and not excercising.

Anything will kill you eventually.

Non-smoker here by the way.



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07 Mar 2009, 9:27 am

Well, I would say smokers with bad eyesight who mistake a stick of dynamite for a rather large Cuban cigar fit into the category rather well.



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07 Mar 2009, 10:15 am

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I believe smoking and all other obvious harmful behaviours are a external realisation of a lack of self respect and self love. Or put another way they are symptom of self loathing
Well stated perspective. You may be correct. I self-flagellate in a variety of ways, but have never considered if smoking was one of them. I have always just considered cigarettes an addiction and perhaps an escape, but now I will think from a new angle.



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07 Mar 2009, 12:31 pm

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Well, I would say smokers with bad eyesight who mistake a stick of dynamite for a rather large Cuban cigar fit into the category rather well.

Or perhaps smokers with bad eyesigt who like to smoke in public showers?


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07 Mar 2009, 4:54 pm

Be interesting to see how many of those with polarized views were actually smokers or have tried smoking.

Smoking is a vice, and an addictive one at that. Moreover, it can be pleasant and enjoyable. Finally, the inevitably terminal results are often many years in the future. How many teens worry that much about events that will happen in the next year, much less the next forty? Following on from that is inevitability. After long enough, a certain form of cynical fatality sets in.. you're already dead, so why quit something you enjoy on the off-chance that you might (but probably wont) enjoy a few years extra? Why not just do what you like, because even if you eat nothing but rabbit food and excercise daily, theres no guarantee that you wont be dead tomorrow. To quote Bill Hicks:

”Mind if I smoke! You do! Tough. I realize I smoke for only one reason: spite. I hate you nonsmokers with all of my little black f*****g heart. You obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little f***s.

”Ever seen that commercial Yul Brynner did right before he died! ‘I’m Yul Brynner and I’m dead now because I smoked cigarettes.’ Okay. That’s pretty scary, but they could have done that with anyone. How about Jim Fixx! Remember the big runner who died while jogging! ‘I’m Jim Fixx and I’m dead now and I don’t know what the f**k happened. I jogged every day, ate nothing but tofu, swam 500 laps every morning. Yul Brynner drank, smoked and got laid every night of his life. I’m running around a dewy track at dawn, and Yul’s passing me on his way home in his big, long lime, cigarette in one hand, drink in the other, two girls blowing him. Where did I go wrong!’

”Yep, they’re both dead. But what a healthy-looking corpse you were, Jim—look at the hamstrings on that corpse. Look at the sloppy grin on Yul’s corpse!”

From a man who died of Pancreatic cancer...


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07 Mar 2009, 5:27 pm

When you think about it, just about everything we do can be a form of suicide, smoking ourselved to death, killing our heart with fast food, ect.

Suicide to me though means that you would want to kill yourself, not by accident.
I have never heard of anyone say that the fella that was killed in a car accident that he caused commited suicide, they just say that he was killed in the accident.

People who smoke do it to calm their nerves, fit in, ect. Not to kill themselves even they know that smoking can kill them.


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07 Mar 2009, 5:46 pm

Chibi_Neko wrote:

People who smoke do it to calm their nerves, fit in, ect. Not to kill themselves even they know that smoking can kill them.


Smoking does not kill everyone who smokes. So a smoker can rationalize and con himself into thinking he will be one of the lucky ones who do not die from the habit.

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07 Mar 2009, 7:22 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Chibi_Neko wrote:

People who smoke do it to calm their nerves, fit in, ect. Not to kill themselves even they know that smoking can kill them.


Smoking does not kill everyone who smokes. So a smoker can rationalize and con himself into thinking he will be one of the lucky ones who do not die from the habit.

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Its only a con if its not true. As you say yourself, smoking does not in fact kill everyone..otherwise.. true.


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07 Mar 2009, 9:18 pm

Holy s**t! Smoking is bad for you? Why wasn't I informed :x I need a lawsuit pronto; you're going down Altria!

And poor Fluffy was a chain smoker...
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07 Mar 2009, 9:29 pm

no... it's a form of stupidcide



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08 Mar 2009, 1:02 am

Smoking is a trap designed for idiots. Unfortunately it takes too long to kill its victim to improve the general intelligence of the species. To be effective in that way it should be made more effectively lethal.



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08 Mar 2009, 1:07 am

Sand wrote:
Smoking is a trap designed for idiots. Unfortunately it takes too long to kill its victim to improve the general intelligence of the species. To be effective in that way it should be made more effectively lethal.


This does not address the question that the Original Poster raised. It is your negative judgment on the habit of smoking. But is indulging in this habit suicide or not? Answer: generally no. That is because the smoker does not intending to kill himself/herself by smoking.

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08 Mar 2009, 1:12 am

ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:
Smoking is a trap designed for idiots. Unfortunately it takes too long to kill its victim to improve the general intelligence of the species. To be effective in that way it should be made more effectively lethal.


This does not address the question that the Original Poster raised. It is your negative judgment on the habit of smoking. But is indulging in this habit suicide or not? Answer: generally no. That is because the smoker does not intending to kill himself/herself by smoking.

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That raises the question: Is stupidity suicidal? Nature and evolution seems to think so.



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08 Mar 2009, 2:33 am

Sand wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:
Smoking is a trap designed for idiots. Unfortunately it takes too long to kill its victim to improve the general intelligence of the species. To be effective in that way it should be made more effectively lethal.


This does not address the question that the Original Poster raised. It is your negative judgment on the habit of smoking. But is indulging in this habit suicide or not? Answer: generally no. That is because the smoker does not intending to kill himself/herself by smoking.

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That raises the question: Is stupidity suicidal? Nature and evolution seems to think so.


Smoking does nothing to evolution. Almost everybody who dies from smoking is well past the physical development required to have children, and probably has already had some.



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08 Mar 2009, 2:44 am

I used to smoke, and sometimes when I asked myself why, the self-harm aspect of it came to mind. But that was never a major reason, and self-harm is usually a cry for help anyway, not a true suicidal tendency. So I would say no, smoking is not suicide, but in the long run, it's no good.

Benefits: something to do with fingers, stress relief (kinda - it's complicated), escape mechanism for social situations (going outside for one), weight control, emphysema induced chest expansion.

Drawbacks: early death (easy to ignore when you're young), the smell is unattractive (and let's face it, none of us here need more ways to scare girls off), peripheral vasoconstriction, and thus poor circulation, leading to erectile disfunction (TMI?), and the final straw that was when I started waking up coughing in the middle of the night (which was enough to finally make me quit).


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